I ran some tests on Craig the ogre, Gregg the ogre? Idk. Its the ogre boss in the rigs lost sector, anyway this was with the latest update for top tree arc striders Now keep in mind, some of this is rough, but still was conducted enough to be mmmmm accurate enough. First: Bottom/middle tree arcstriders, no liars handshake will punch in at 36 punches before the ogre dies. Second: Bottom/middle tree arcstriders WITH liars handshake will roughly punch in at 22 punches before the ogre dies. Third: Top tree arc strides without liars handshake while sitting at x3 combination blow will punch in at 9 punches before the ogre dies. Fourth: finally, Top tree arc strides WITH liars handshake while sitting at x3 combination blow will punch in at roughly 4 to 5 punches before the ogre dies. I say roughly because cross counter doesn't activate immediately after punching twice consecutively, it kinda becomes a little inconsistent but not too much I didn't pay attention to numbers though, this was purely tested by counting punches. This is a very rough take on the top tree arcs new found punching strength, needless to say i am currently content. Will be testing crucible soon enough, although if someone has info on that already (meaning how lethal is x3 combination with and without liars) please let me know as i would love to know wether it possible to punch out a super user. Edit: OH! if anyone has info on how this build runs for strikes too, let me know! I plan to run it with strikes soon but probably wont have conclusive info until tomorrow, gotta sleep for work and all that. Anyway have a nice day folks 👌