I'm seeing a lot of excuses about how Warframe isn't pay to win. It literally is though. Not that I give a fck, it just is. Trading is always mentioned first. You CAN trade, but that shit isnt just an option at all times. You need rare shit people want in the first damn place. You dont just hop into trade and roll your sleeves up, expecting anything. Then people say you can grind out everything. Same with Clash of Clans.. but if you buy shit you get it all way faster and can benefit from it right away. Pay. To. Win. Very different games, same damn idea. It isnt hard to see. Warframe pay to win is hidden under a mountain of excuses, but it is definitely there. The people who pay for stuff are people who either play a lot, or a little. The target for pay to win would probably be "casual" players, people who want shit quick without putting forth the time it takes to go the free route. You as a player might not take that pay to win route, but that doesn't make the game NOT pay to win. That means YOU didn't pay to win. Real easy concept to get.