Well, no. Considering a majority of these forums are 16-18 and democratic. And you have this aggressive disposition towards conservatism, as if it and all of its followers are evil. When in reality, we are all Americans. There is no reason to be so opposed to people simply over a difference in economic opinion. You seem to think conservatives enjoy pushing down the poor. When in reality, it's just a different way of approaching the same problem. Liberals think that the solution is to offer more social welfare programs, or to give more money to the bottom. Conservatives think the solution is to create jobs. That's it. And to chalk it up to conservatives being racist, bigoted, selfish, greedy, assholes is stereotyping, and makes you look like an ass. The few does not define the whole. I disagree with liberals. This does not mean all liberals are SJW uneducated feminists who all work at McDonalds and just want free shit. They're human beings who disagree with me.

Conservatives don't create jobs. Trickle down economics doesn't create jobs. Fighting against a change to the minimum wage does not create jobs. Paying a minimum wage that falls below the poverty line does not create jobs. Outsourcing jobs to cheaper countries does not create jobs. Affordable college creates jobs. Increased wages bolster the economy, which creates jobs. You would think decades of your failed policies would teach you something.

[quote]Conservatives don't create jobs. Trickle down economics doesn't create jobs. Fighting against a change to the minimum wage does not create jobs. Paying a minimum wage that falls below the poverty line does not create jobs. Outsourcing jobs to cheaper countries does not create jobs. Affordable college creates jobs. Increased wages bolster the economy, which creates jobs. You would think decades of your failed policies would teach you something.[/quote]

U got me fam

Yes, overtaxing corporations to the point that they leave the country creates jobs. Raising the minimum wage to the point where small businesses can't keep up sure creates jobs. You got me a corner here, fam. [spoiler]College prices went up because of government intervention. No conservative wants to raise college prices lol. Good strawman though.[/spoiler]

Sure, because the small business that my family owns that pays starting wages at $2 above minimum wage for every bottom level employee can't keep up. Even though we profit hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, while my grandfather and father pull in about 200k a year in combined salary. While the non-salary employees still make over $10 an hour. No, we can't keep up with the socialist oppression I guess. And this is in Arkansas, one of the poorest states in the country. Jobs are outsourced because another country will do it for slave wages. An American citizen won't, and liberals won't allow it. Liberalism protects the workers. Not conservatism.

I'm from Arkansas as well and can vouch for this. It's -blam!-ing brutal in this state, and the only people who have enough money had it handed down to them.

It always comes down to the luck of the draw in poor states.

1) I guess your own personal experience determines every single business in the country. Because logic. 2) You're still not making sense. How can they be on the side of the worker, if they want to tax corporations higher? How do conservatives, who want to bring companies closer to home, want to destroy the worker? Your argument really makes no sense, dude. You're seriously saying that conservatism is evil and wants to destroy jobs and that liberalism is pure? Grow up with your partisan bullshit. No side is perfect. No side is correct. Stop trying to the paint the other side a certain way because you don't agree with their methods. Lowering taxes+lowering fed spending+bringing companies to the US=anti-worker? I guess, fam.

Because conservatives are white knights when it comes to taxation, bringing jobs home, and limiting federal spending, right? That's why all the clothes we wear are made in Taiwan or Mexico, that's why we have a grossly inflated military budget, that's why tax breaks for the rich exist, and that's why corporations like Wal-Mart are drowning in corporate welfare while their workers make $7.25? No liberalism isn't perfect, but it's a Hell of a lot better at addressing the real issues and catering to the majority of Americans. Rather than promoting trickle down bullshit that does nothing to help the people.

You're reaching here. [i]and assuming.[/i]

Sure. Not like I've seen you post before, man.

Because that has to do with this? I have no "aggressive disposition" against conservatives, or friendly disposition toward liberals. But this post wasn't about my views. The self made man and work hard and you'll succeed are tenants of the economically conservative. My entire post was to point out it's just a difference in philosophy. No need to make it personal and get triggered. Just vibe. [spoiler]Economically conservative and conservatives are different. Someone can be against certain beliefs of the conservative institution at large, but still be economically conservative by holding the same values in that sector. You know this, but hopefully it clears it up for others.[/spoiler]

By "I've seen you post," I meant that I've seen you be hostile and stereotype conservatives. You can say you aren't, but what I've seen of you says otherwise. And to your second point, yes. Hence why I'm a libertarian. I don't believe in any of the "conservative values" they hold. Such as Christianity, traditional marriage, abortion, drugs, etc.

Many people in these forums are only parroting what their parents say. The vast majority of Bungie's forums (including Offtopic) cater to the ages of 12-15, due to their new IP being catered to that age group, so I highly doubt they understand anything outside of the economic bubble their parents set up for them. For the first one: Depending on the state (especially the southern states, where the QoL is lower than places like Washington State, New York, or California), the federal minimum wage [i]could[/i] support the family, along with government subsidies and other programs. Though, the stereotype that conservatives often shame lower income class people with (they only buy junk food, or they have transportation), are often facetious and asinine arguments. For the first argument I listed, it's cheaper to buy unhealthy food compared to healthy food, which eludes me to why the trend is that way. For the second one, I have heard this so much, that people who are poor should not have any form of transportation like a car. I don't understand that mentality, seeing as most jobs require some form of transportation, and it's not necessarily that expensive to save up for a used car with around 60-70k mileage on it. For the high school diploma, I'd like to put my friend into the spotlight for this, since she had a rough life growing up. She ended up dropping out of high school due to bullies calling her a slut, loose, or pretty much anything disgusting teenagers say, as well as family issues at home as well as drugs later on in life as well as teen pregnancy. She was born into a lower income family. She never graduated high school, but she busted her ass to get her GED at the community college, and is now currently getting her associate's degree. She's extremely nice, and works hard given her circumstances. It's extremely ironic that conservatives often bash liberals or other people who aren't conservative for being "too dumb". Over 60% of American adults do not even have an associate's degree, which says a lot. For the third one: College graduates are often stuck at the bottom of the ladder (AKA minimum wage) after graduation, if they are lucky enough to find a job. Skills are not the only thing that employers take into account, to the chagrin of conservative leaning people. Also, I notice that conservatives tend to pull the "we're in AMERICA, speak English or get the hell out" argument more often than the "liberals use the race card" argument, which in itself is extremely ironic. Speaking another language is a skill that is HEAVILY looked at for potential employees. A potential employee who can speak a second language (such as Spanish) will fare much better than a potential employee who can only speak English. This is from personal experience: I ended up getting my first job in college due to two main things that my other competitors were not as strong in: I spoke another language other than English, and I was very proficient in Microsoft Office. It was still a minimum wage job, but a second language or being proficient in Microsoft Office are some sets of skills that not too many Americans have. Personally, I used to identify as a conservative up until I went to college. I did have those set beliefs that you listed, as well as some extra ones like anyone who wasn't Christian was going to burn in hell, or that poor people are the main reason for why America was struggling, or that racial profiling or even in airports, that "random screening" was necessary for the safety of the overall population. I don't really like my old self that often, because I was a middle class Asian kid that was pretentious and a narcissistic asshole.

Wow. So that was a whole lot of nothing. Also funny how you say conservatives always stereotype whilst stereotyping and strawmanning conservatives lol.

May you be very successful in your future endeavors only to have the tax man take it all away. It is after all what you want.

[quote]Can't support your family? Should never have had one. No High school diploma? Should've worked harder or not dropped out. Stuck in minimum wage jobs? Your fault for not learning skills needed to get higher paying jobs.[/quote] This is fact just sayin