[quote]Hey friend.[/quote]I've always found it curious that when people get antagonized or upset by someone else, they always start saying they're friends or buddies. [quote]Are you actually going to use a dictionary entry to try and dispute the semantic usage of "given up on"?[/quote]Dictionaries exist for a reason. I'm not saying that you're elaborated attitude towards Halo isn't true, just that using "give up" is incorrect based on your current view of Halo. [quote]I'm glad you find my lack of faith in poor taste, it's wonderful you are of heavy conviction and stand so valiantly behind 343i, that's wonderful for you,[/quote]Thanks. [quote]I obviously have witnessed the same criteria that has lead me to a different conclusion, many on this thread seem to be of different opinions.[/quote]Obviously. Halo fans are a lot like Smart AIs in Halo. They get to a point where they can't stand for the changes or flaws in one of the games. This signals entering rampancy. This is the critical phase. Either they continue on their descend and die of their condition, meaning they are no longer Halo fans. Or, they overcome and accept the changes/flaws and continue on with the Franchise. This is meta-stability. [quote]That's why this thread was an interesting discussion, I thought.[/quote]This topic has been discussed tons of times before and almost always results in a flame war between the biggest fans. [quote]Giving up on your GED, doesn't mean you are absolute in never going back to graduate highschool, there are analogies a'plenty. I have a slightly more cynical outlook, here, I'm aware. However, that certainly does not make me wrong in my decision.[/quote]Nope. [quote]I understand it's nice to stroke your ego and massage your reasoning behind sticking through a disappointing Halo 4,[/quote]When did I say Halo 4 was disappointing? How can I stroke my ego over something I enjoyed? It's not like I'm saying I'm better than you for suffering through a bad gaming experience. [quote]but fyi that doesn't mean everyone else must enjoy the same reasoning behind feeling a certain way towards specifics of speculation. [/quote]What? What I said in terms of 343i's disadvantages was not speculation, let me make that clear. My optimism on their next game was. However, I'm dismayed over your pre-judgement of the next Halo when you have faulty comparison, along with nothing concrete to judge. [quote]For me it was silly enough to see master chief in that god-awful robe,[/quote]Then: 1. You don't understand where Halo's story is heading 2. You don't understand the concept of theatrical surprises [quote]I feel as if 343 is going to butcher my childhood universe,[/quote]That's a little extreme. 343i's been following Halo's canon nearly spot on. You can find references to Halo 4's events and events that 343i detailed in material back from 2008-2011. [quote]I'm well aware former Bungie talent is working on the game[/quote]Yeah, 5 former guys. [quote] that 343i is a growing developer, I assure you I factored these circumstances into my decision making.[/quote]You've got a zero-tolerance policy it seems. [quote]Giving up on in a real world application most certainly does not mean you cannot readjust and come back to something, let's not kid ourselves here.[/quote]When did I say that? You've seen the rate Halo's story is moving in Halo 4. Leaving the franchise and coming back later might be more problematic than you think.

[b]On Friends[/b] [i]I literally cannot find a counter argument to response based in opinion[/i] Well, I'm glad we agree then. I guess its the forums, we all continue to assert supplementary understanding and personal opinions to make judgement based statements about other people's opinions, thats that. See all I'd like to address is the "friend" deal, you seem to be very vested in your outlook, enough to deduce broad statements about the wrongness of other differing views (this is really where the stoking the ego comes in, ill mention that briefly, the response you had is the main issue actually, the way in which you are stroking your ego is by not accounting for my opinion for one, on Halo 4 because [quote]When did I say Halo 4 was disappointing? How can I stroke my ego over something I enjoyed? It's not like I'm saying I'm better than you for suffering through a bad gaming experience. [/quote] While in fact, its the exact opposite, you're saying your enjoyment of the game is more valid than my poor outlook on the same game I experienced differently, an entirely objective factor. Back to friend, the nature of the forums is to flame, to disagree, and to discuss, however it doesn't need to forge some deep emotional connection to an opinion based argument. That is why I started with friend, because though I feel we differ in opinions, I don't think that makes you wrong or myself correct, its my outlook up against your differing outlook, I'm glad you've tried to change what I think, I am open to other views and wont just discount them as if they are invalid. Friend implies that though we are discussing something from different places, I don't mean to devalue what you are contributing or want to convey some misanthropic anger or emotional irritation because of my interaction with you. Its essentially an open letter to, you seem like you make good points, I just don't completely agree, but I don't wish to devalue your points. (Aside from the places in which I'd like to point out that you seem to be openly doing that to me, its really a call to change the balance of the discussion)) [b]On a slightly Unrelated note[/b] [i]Fear not, Halo has a home in my heart, it always will[/i] Really quick: On topic repetition, well, this is an open forum, when forums die, members that might not have experienced them, might certainly strike a conversation near a similar or the same vein. This discussion is actually open for me to gauge a response to my opinion, and yours will certainly be accounted for, I hope you'll checkout the little HTML5 piece I put together as my goodbye (for now, if your predictions on behalf of 343i pan out) with a lot of verbiage and a more personal explanation . Halo is much more than the fantasy universe for me, It took me from a career path of law or political science and got me into what I really love, Industrial Design, and I'll always be thankful for that, saying goodbye, even just for now, is something I have thought of and considered outside of just "hm should I be purchasing an X1?" Its made me schedule a ludicrous marathon shield secret tattoo, and has made me the crazy guy at parties who brings a 360 and gaming case and rages drunk online, the fan boy that you don't mess with, and the game tester that breaks your indy games, and a lot more I find myself pretty proud of that came through Halo, i mean hell I probably wouldn't be a gamer if I didn't pick up that copy of Halo CE (who am I kidding, I pick up anything, bad parenting led to my relationship with Halo, yeah thanks dad Halo CE is a fantastic game for a third grader). I've got a lot of memories and a lot of things to say outside of Chief and the Forerunner arc (which I'll be reading about and watching cutscenes on), but the next wave of Halo games, Im not about them, their different and they don't feel like games I can call mine. [b] [i]The issue here is that I'm a Bungie die hard, I've been making so many (too many?) life decisions based on trying to go work for them or something like them, Halo 5 doesn't seem to fit into that plot of points for whatever reason. ~That was meant to be heartfelt, not a counterargument full of fluff, I hope that comes through[/i][/b]

I've been a Halo fan for more then half my life. Almost all of my free time is dedicated to Halo, or its community. I have written numerous essays, analyses, and guides to Halo's story. I am not afraid to push my opinion on Halo around. [quote] you seem to be very vested in your outlook, enough to deduce broad statements about the wrongness of other differing views (this is really where the stoking the ego comes in, ill mention that briefly, the response you had is the main issue actually, the way in which you are stroking your ego is by not accounting for my opinion for one,[/quote]I have no idea where you're getting this from. What you quoted was me responding to your statement in which [u]I felt[/u] you had assumed I did not find Halo 4 an enjoyable experience [quote] Back to friend, the nature of the forums is to flame, to disagree, and to discuss, however it doesn't need to forge some deep emotional connection to an opinion based argument. That is why I started with friend, because though I feel we differ in opinions, I don't think that makes you wrong or myself correct, its my outlook up against your differing outlook, I'm glad you've tried to change what I think, I am open to other views and wont just discount them as if they are invalid. Friend implies that though we are discussing something from different places, I don't mean to devalue what you are contributing or want to convey some misanthropic anger or emotional irritation because of my interaction with you. Its essentially an open letter to, you seem like you make good points, I just don't completely agree, but I don't wish to devalue your points. (Aside from the places in which I'd like to point out that you seem to be openly doing that to me, its really a call to change the balance of the discussion))[/quote]I never said calling me friend was problematic. I've just always found its use in situations like this curious. No need to explain yourself on that. The only way to change your opinion is to devalue your current points. I'm not saying it's wrong to have the view you do, I just think it's rather extreme and unrealistic based on what has transpired. [quote]Its made me schedule a ludicrous marathon shield secret tattoo but the next wave of Halo games, Im not about them, their different and they don't feel like games I can call mine. [b] The issue here is that I'm a Bungie die hard, I've been making so many (too many?) life decisions based on trying to go work for them or something like them, Halo 5 doesn't seem to fit into that plot of points for whatever reason. [/b][/quote]Well, that's your problem. I solved the whole issue. You're not a Halo fan, you're a Bungie fan. Just to clarify, not saying you can't enjoy Halo, just that you're a fan of Bungie and their works.

[quote]I've been a Halo fan for more then half my life. Almost all of my free time is dedicated to Halo, or its community. I have written numerous essays, analyses, and guides to Halo's story. I am not afraid to push my opinion on Halo around. [/quote] #Twinning, it would be wrong of my to insinuate that I don't do the exact same thing, you just do it well, I'd say more effectively than I. (~~u more better~~) Well Lord of Admirals, I appreciate your input and strong opinion you push around, glad the forum has a force like you to reckon with, I'll be seeking you out next time I need content for a zine (wait I just realized how passive aggressive-saracstic that might come off as, its sincere I assure you.) [b][i]And yes I'd say Im majorly a Bungie fan, and a Halo fan by Proxy, hit the nail on the head. Now I feel awful, I should have mentioned that...shouldn't I... [/i][/b]

[quote]Well Lord of Admirals, I appreciate your input and strong opinion you push around, glad the forum has a force like you to reckon with, I'll be seeking you out next time I need content for a [b][u]zine[/u][/b] (wait I just realized how passive aggressive-saracstic that might come off as, its sincere I assure you.) And yes I'd say Im majorly a Bungie fan, and a Halo fan by Proxy, hit the nail on the head. Now I feel awful, I should have mentioned that...shouldn't I...[/quote]Lol. I have had to look up the definition to quite a few words. You've been using phrases and words I've never heard of before. Anyway, if you want access to anything and everything Halo, you should check out Halo Archive. We've got an archive of every interview and weekly update that reveals anything on Halo. We've also got an archive of theories and analyses the community wrote up.

Haha sorry, zine is kinda of a designey word I forget about that sometimes, zines are essentially abridged maga[b]zines[/b], they are short enough for one designer to handle and often explore layout and content abstractly, they're normally hand made and circulated very differently. But yes, I'll certainly check out halo archive for when I'm planning to not play H5.