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8/24/2013 9:31:28 PM
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[quote]Somehow a forerunner has survived millennia imprisoned inside a forerunner shield world.[/quote]Yes. Forerunners have had 10 Million years to hone their technology on the imitations of Precursor tech. Their suits keep them alive for an indefinite amount of time. Combat Cryptums presumebly use Slipspace to encase the user inside. That would also be a sufficient explanation as to why he survived. [quote]So the only surviving forerunner is evil. They saved the evil guy... After the rings were fired killing all life, after countless ages he tricks you into releasing him. ...from inside his own cell, he tricks you into releasing him, by manipulating his prison...[/quote]That was not a prison. It was a Combat Cryptum. [i]His[/i] Combat Cryptum. [quote]Did I mention he knows magic? Or the force, because he does force grip you.[/quote]The Forerunners have a mastery of manipulating gravity. It's obvious to tell that. I'm suprised you didn't make the conclusion that it was a field that manipulated gravity. Specifically a Constraint Field. Promethean Warrior-Servants are outfitted with them. [quote]Oh! I know! How about the part where you NEVER fight him?[/quote]Forerunner technology is eons ahead of the UNSC's. Chief would stand no chance. Now, even if they did figure out how to disable his weaponry on his suit and his Constraint Field, they'd still have to deal with the fact that the Didact has over 10,000 years of combat experience and military training compaired to Chief's 40. Even less than that if you account the time he's spent in Cryo. [quote]At the end you do 3 quick time moves to plant a grenade on his chest and Cortana saves you from him AND kills him. [/quote]It was either that or a cutscene. The personal feel of being in the Chief's helmet as he defeats the Didact was well done. Do you honestly think he's dead? He fell into a Slipspace Portal. His armor additionaly cancelled out the Ionization Sphere produced by the Pulse Grenade. [quote]And then she saves you from a nuclear explosion from the warhead you detonated... WITH YOUR HAND. No, you didn't even lose a pinky. BTW, no, I can't explain how Cortana had the ability to save the chief. She just DOES.[/quote]I honestly could only believe you can't explain it yourself if you haven't played the original Halo Trilogy. Large Forerunner installations are all equipped with Slipspace networks in the form of portals or a translocation grid. Cortana utilized the Mantle's Approach's slipspace grid to move Chief away from the ship. Another way to interpret the scene is the fact that Cortana tells Chief that the window for getting out of their will be small once the Warhead is primed. So, you could view that scene as it being that the HAVOK Mine doesn't detonate until the debris starts "falling" behind Chief. [quote]"Yes, I laid the ground work for your being. You, your armor and your AI companion. I arranged it so you would be here to defeat this threat."[/quote]Did you fail to listen to anything the Librarian said? She never elaborated on the true reason Chief and Cortana's seeds were planned. She herself also stated the Didact was supposed to meditate and help Humanity when he was released. That plan obviously did not work. [quote]So the forerunners had the power to set things in motion to create ONE individual over numerous millennia, insuring he gets augmented into an experimental warrior, gets experimental armor, and an experimental AI. Not only that, but battle off the covenant and defeat the flood AGAIN since they couldn't do it right the first time, only to end up at this world to defeat this Forerunner that doesn't know what time is. Yet they couldn't put a round between this evil forerunner's eyes?[/quote]You completely misinterpretted what the Librarian said. She simply set things in motion to lead to an eventuality. That eventuality being Chief recieving his armor adn Cortana's creation. The Librarian never planned for the Flood to be released, for the Covenant's attempted xenocide, or for the Didact's revenge. Additionally, Mjolnir is not experimental. Nor is Cortana. [quote]Oh and Lasky? You know how forward unto Dawn ended with him as a grizzled captain who says "We're going to get chief"? Yeah, no. He's a young hopeful officer on a ship that ends up in the area because they found some coordinates from a forerunner site. Oh, and you know how at the very end of the last episode the Infinity has a bunch of smaller support craft with it when they go to jump to get the chief? You know, like real battle groups to protect big important ships? Turns out the ships weren't going to the same place because the Infinity WAS THE ONLY SHIP THAT SHOWED UP.[/quote]Maybe you should realise two things. 1. Not everything in Forward Unto Dawn lines up with canon. 2. Infinity is officially an exploratory vessel. It's what they did. Assisted the UNSC and ONI on exploratory missions (among other things) [quote]Oh, and the guy that actually is the Captain? Says "screw you chief, you're crazy. I'm going home." Like the chief didn't just save the human race four years earlier.[/quote]You need to realise that Del Rio was completely unprepared for what was going to take place on Requiem. He is extremely concerned about the ship as it's the only reason Humanity is in a dominant positsion. He did not want to jepordize the UNSC's dominance. He is a man that goes by the book. So he wished to leave. He did not want Chief to undermine his authority and rally Infinity's personell to his aid. He exaggerated Chief's craziness. You need to remember that what Chief is saying completely destroys what we had originally thought for the last 5,000 years. [quote]Not to mention the Infinity, the BIGGEST ship ever built by mankind to this point, crash lands on a planet and within a day, after no serious repairs, takes off for space again...[/quote]"Infinity looks intact." "Something tells me that's only because the Didact wanted it that way." Also, you saw what the crash did to Infinity. Its belly was shredded. [quote]How about the fact that besides hunters (only 4 in the campaign) there are 3 kinds of covenant and 3 kinds of forerunner lackeys? Grunts, Jackals, Elites. Knights, Dog things, watchers. ...That got boring.[/quote]Reminds me of CE. Simple and sweet with enough variety to make it interesting.
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  • Thanks for taking care of this.

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  • Cool. BTW where in the original trilogy does it talk about the teleportation shit.

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  • Halo CE - Cortana talks to Chief about the Translocation Grid, and we see Spark use it numerous times. Halo 2 - The Gravemind uses it to move Chief aboard High Charity and Thel to the control room Most Halo Games - It's used as a gameplay explanation as to why Co-op players move up to their teammates if one of them gets too far ahead.

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  • Well, those were only on Halo rings. They never said that it applies for every single Forerunner thing ever. Also, those games are pretty old, I can't remember every single line of dialogue from them. Maybe in Halo 4 they could have just spent 5 seconds longer and maybe mention teleportation once, just so it isn't so jarring and "WTF just happened". Teleporting off the ship is a fine idea but it wasn't executed that well.

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  • [quote]Well, those were only on Halo rings. They never said that it applies for every single Forerunner thing ever.[/quote]It can be implied from the games. The Halo Novels also confirm they utilise Slipspace Grids on other large systems. Additionally, Cortana confirms that Mantle's Approach has a Slipspace Grid. [quote]Maybe in Halo 4 they could have just spent 5 seconds longer and maybe mention teleportation once, just so it isn't so jarring and "WTF just happened". Teleporting off the ship is a fine idea but it wasn't executed that well.[/quote]It's a level of quality I've come to expect. Not everything in Halo Games are explained completely. As such, you have to infer what happens.

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  • Doesn't mean it couldn't be executed and explained better. It's funny, because most people, including the Halo Wiki, actually say Cortana wrapped a hardlight bubble around Chief, to protect him from the blast. While you're saying Cortana teleported off the ship, then put a bubble around him.

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  • Editado por Mr Admirals7044: 8/24/2013 10:32:19 PM
    Halo Wiki is not a reliable source. It should only be used to give you a basic refresh of your memory on something you already know. Cortana specifically states, "I only held enough back to get you off the ship. What's left of me is down there."

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  • That still doesn't help explain teleportation. Dude, why can't you just see that they could have executed the teleportation concept better? The way they had it, only people who remember every single thing from the old games will understand what happened. All they needed was one line that helps establish teleportation. It was very jarring and weird for a lot of players, as evidence by how many people were confused by the scene.

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  • Editado por Mr Admirals7044: 8/24/2013 10:39:44 PM
    It could have been handled better, but it's a common occurance in most of the Halo games. The Slipspace Grids were a major plot point in the past games. Look at Halo 4 too. Cortana even talks about Requiem's and the Mantle's Approach's Slipspace Grid

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  • [quote]It could have been handled better[/quote] All I needed to hear.

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