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11/5/2020 6:18:22 PM
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Please correct me if I misunderstand what you meant but ogres are not so much thrall mutated by dark, they are tortured by wizards using the light. Also according to The Spider cursed thralls are made when you imbue a thrall with fallen ether not the dark
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I don't believe Light is used in the creation of ogres. It's only stated that they undergo painful rituals that end up turning them into ogres And yeah apparently cursed thrall have ether in them, rather new but whatever. Regardless, both Ogres and cursed thrall start off from thrall who themselves are in a symbiotic relationships with the worms. These worms have some form of darkness in them already, meaning these mutations still are a result of darkness, even if cursed thrall somehow are made using ether
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Also just because the worms are inherently dark does not mean they are responsible for any mutations, there is no evidence to that claim
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.... Oryx's wings Immunity to the harmful effects of emaciation The fact that Hive literally grow larger the stronger they get Etc.
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Editado por Dredged Yor: 11/5/2020 7:31:50 PMYou kinda lapse over the fact he is a literal god who stole god like powers of course his wings are immune to emaciation, the worms just act as a heart of sorts keeping what are essentially just corpses alive as long as they kill and maim,
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1. Oryx was not born a god, he was a little girl that was given god like powers thanks to his union with the worms 2. You still didn't rebuttal the fact hive physically grow larger the stronger they get, nor the emaciation immunity Besides, I didn't even mention the fact wizards gain the ability of flight thanks to the worms, nor the fact the worms allow the Hive to use "magic" like soul fire and Hive shields
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Editado por Dredged Yor: 11/5/2020 7:47:56 PMOk let's go over each of those claims one by one 1. Oryx was not given god tier powers from ingesting his worm it was a direct gift from another god( yes the god happens to be another worm but not the one he ingested the worms they ingested were just a trap designed by these gods to mess with the hive keeping them alive at a cost 2. Hive may grow larger from "combat" but there is nowhere that states this is a mutation if anything it's the metaphor of growing from experience made literal. As far as emaciation goes the hive literally crumble to dust on headshots there is nothing left to be emaciated, and I know this doesn't happen to larger hive bosses because they are again growing larger from experience and letting their worm eat more. 3. It is never stated wizards or brood mothers didn't fly before the worms and pay attention to the lore the hives "magic" is just tech that is so far out there it seems like magic
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1. Oryx had enough power to overthrow akka and all he had was a very well fed worm. It's very basic level lore that the worms are what helped the krill evolve into the Hive 2. So you're telling me the Hive just naturally have the built in ability to grow larger by fighting things. Yeah, totally not a mutation thanks to the worms 3. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the Krill did not have the power of flight before meeting the worm gods, but then again I have as much proof as you (which is to say zero). On the topic of their magic, you're right and wrong. We know for a fact the Hive, much like Guardians, get these powers from the Darkness (or in the case of Guardians, the Light). But Hives powers aren't technology, their genuine paracausal abilities given to them thanks to their union with the worms. Perhaps if[b][i][u]you[/u][/i][/b] read the lore you would understand that
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Also no oryx had the strength he stole from his sisters when he killed akka
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And where did his sister's get their strength The worms
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They got immortality from worms, their powers were literally given to them by akka and the other gods not by ingesting worms
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THOSE ARE WORMS! WORM GODS ARE STILL WORMS!
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To be clear I am specifically talking about the hive gods because they have killed literal billions and seemingly stay the same size as if choosing to stay that same size
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Oryx's true form though
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That is a nether realm of sorts where he controls reality his "true" form is essentially his soul or essence his physical form the one effected by worms is small
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Read the books of sorrow and you'll get to a page explicitly stating that siblings have grown vastly large as a result of their tithing Very simple stuff here
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Except for the whole part where when we kill oryx in the raid that is not his physical form
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... It literally is Like it LITERALLY is, we killed his true form in his throne world thus killing him for real. The Oryx we fight in Kings fall was his TRUE FINAL FORM
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In a metaphysical way but it is not his physical form
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Yes but what you stated was the worms the hive ingest are doing that which isn't true
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Editado por Dredged Yor: 11/5/2020 8:16:16 PMYes I am telling you they grow without worms, acolytes grew into knights looong before worms, and don't make me go get the lines where it straight up says the hive tech is indesernable from magic, so you're telling me without proof wizards and broodmothers of the krill walked?
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I see there was misunderstanding on both sides When I say Hive grow larger the more their worm is fed, I'm referring to boss Hive and beings like Crota and Oryx. And yes, you are right about their technology appearing like magic. Their weaponry and ships are beyond explanation, that's true. I thought you were implying stuff like soul fire and Hive shields were machines or something
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With that argument are you gonna say ether (not dark ether) causes mutations just because it makes fallen bigger?
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No ether is a natural part of Eliksni biology. Worms are an outside interval when it comes to the Hive
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Except ether isn't natural to them they only need it outside of their homeworld hence why splicers and erimis don't need ether they found a substitute for what is just sustenance for them
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.... Ether is the lifeblood of the fallen. It's their oxygen as well as nourishment. Variks tells us of a time back home when ether flowed freely throughout his world The fallen didn't just invent ether after leaving their home world, just like humans evolved to breath oxygen so to did Eliksni evolve to breath ether I'm shocked this is new to you
