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8/23/2019 8:08:45 PM
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[quote]Interesting topic! Can you help me clarify a couple things...
1. Does that also mean the universe didn’t “begin?”[/quote]
Not entirely sure. I guess I would have to say no. It must have always existed, even if it was in a different state.
[quote]2. What would it mean for the universe to end?[/quote]
For example, big crunch, heat death etc. But supposing they are real, it would mean the universe returns to a pre- Big Bang state, rather than no longer existing.
In other words, the universe can never not exist.
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Ok, I think I understand. Two follow up questions: 1. How confident are you that the universe must always exist? Maybe from a scale of 0-10, with 10 meaning you have 100% confidence. 2. How did you reach this conclusion?
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[quote]Ok, I think I understand. Two follow up questions: 1. How confident are you that the universe must always exist? Maybe from a scale of 0-10, with 10 meaning you have 100% confidence.[/quote] Let's say 9/10. It's something I fully believe, but I don't feel comfortable saying I have complete confidence in anything. [quote]2. How did you reach this conclusion?[/quote] Essentially, it just doesn't make sense for there to be nothing, or for there to be something OUTSIDE of existence. To be clear, this doesn't include pocket universes - they could be real, but then there'd be an actual UNIverse containing them and us.
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[quote] but I don't feel comfortable saying I have complete confidence in anything.[/quote]I like that; I think that’s a really intellectually honest position to take. [quote]Essentially, it just doesn't make sense for there to be nothing, or for there to be something OUTSIDE of existence. To be clear, this doesn't include pocket universes - they could be real, but then there'd be an actual UNIverse containing them and us.[/quote]By it not making “sense” for there to be nothing, would you say that’s based on intuition, driven from data/scientific theories, or something else?
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Well, there are scientific theories that agree with me, but I doubt that's what made me reach this conclusion. I'm inclined to call it "perception" but maybe that's not an accurate word either.
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Ok. Well whatever these internal tools are - we can call it perception - is there a way we can tell, or test, if this perception is a reliable way of knowing what is true? I guess what I’m trying to get at is, is there good justification to have such a high confidence (9 out of 10) in this belief?
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There is a way to test it yes, but I don't know what it is. I'm fully aware human senses aren't completely reliable though.
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Thanks for the chat! I think that’s a good place to end it
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No problem.
