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3/12/2018 2:57:50 PM
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[quote][quote][quote]Yep.[/quote]
So theism is better because you believe something rather than knowing something? Hmmm[/quote]
Atheism doesn't "know" anything. They believe just as much as theists do.[/quote]
They know there is zero proof of any god ever existing. We also know unicorns never existed *gasp* . Until you can prove any god exists, it's just a belief.
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[quote][quote][quote][quote]Yep.[/quote] So theism is better because you believe something rather than knowing something? Hmmm[/quote] Atheism doesn't "know" anything. They believe just as much as theists do.[/quote] They know there is zero proof of any god ever existing. We also know unicorns never existed *gasp* . Until you can prove any god exists, it's just a belief.[/quote] There's zero proof that they know of. As far as you're concerned, there's zero proof that I'm a 40 year old man. That doesn't mean you [i]know[/i] I'm not a 40 year old man. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
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Wouldn't proof be in Birth Certificates, drivers licenses or other forms of ID. Talking to your mother to find out when you were born?
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[quote]Wouldn't proof be in Birth Certificates, drivers licenses or other forms of ID. Talking to your mother to find out when you were born?[/quote] Yes, but you don't have any of those things. Similar to how Atheists don't have an explanation for matter existing at the beginning of the universe, when "matter can't be created or destroyed."
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But you can supply those things as proof of your age instead of simply having someone believe you are 40. We don't just have to go on faith that you are 40 because there is actual proof.
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So there's "actual proof" that the universe spontaneously spawned itself into existence?
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[quote]So there's "actual proof" that the universe spontaneously spawned itself into existence?[/quote] That's what they are figuring out at CERN.
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I'm talking about proving that you are 40. I just don't think that is a good analogy for what you are trying to get across. BTW I'm a Pagan and not an atheist, so I have faith or belief in a higher power.
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[quote]I'm talking about proving that you are 40. I just don't think that is a good analogy for what you are trying to get across. BTW I'm a Pagan and not an atheist, so I have faith or belief in a higher power.[/quote] My point is that Atheists claim they are all about facts and evidence, but that's simply not true. To definitively claim that God doesn't exist, you'd have to be 100% sure, which they never can be. Furthermore, they completely have faith that the universe has no origin. That it just "always existed," even though there is zero scientific basis for this.
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[quote][quote]I'm talking about proving that you are 40. I just don't think that is a good analogy for what you are trying to get across. BTW I'm a Pagan and not an atheist, so I have faith or belief in a higher power.[/quote] My point is that Atheists claim they are all about facts and evidence, but that's simply not true. To definitively claim that God doesn't exist, you'd have to be 100% sure, which they never can be. Furthermore, they completely have faith that the universe has no origin. That it just "always existed," even though there is zero scientific basis for this.[/quote] Actually we can say, with 100% certainty that no god ever existed.
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[quote]Actually we can say, with 100% certainty that no god ever existed.[/quote] Lol no you can't. The only thing you can say, is that there is no evidence. Just because there's no proof of God, doesn't mean he doesn't exist. It may be unlikely or illogical, but that doesn't mean you have "certainty" that he's not real. The only things that are "certain" are either mathematical, philosophical, or definitive. Statements like "2+2 = 4" or "Mammals give birth to live young." Something like "a square circle cannot exist." But it is impossible to be 100% sure a supernatural being doesn't exist. By definition, they don't abide by nature. For all you know, they could be invisible and undetectable by man. They could be a ghost, or an alien that's able to conceal themselves. I mean... people used to think gravity didn't exist too. Look how that turned out.
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[quote][quote]Actually we can say, with 100% certainty that no god ever existed.[/quote] Lol no you can't. The only thing you can say, is that there is no evidence. Just because there's no proof of God, doesn't mean he doesn't exist. It may be unlikely or illogical, but that doesn't mean you have "certainty" that he's not real. The only things that are "certain" are either mathematical, philosophical, or definitive. Statements like "2+2 = 4" or "Mammals give birth to live young." Something like "a square circle cannot exist." But it is impossible to be 100% sure a supernatural being doesn't exist. By definition, they don't abide by nature. For all you know, they could be invisible and undetectable by man. They could be a ghost, or an alien that's able to conceal themselves. I mean... people used to think gravity didn't exist too. Look how that turned out.[/quote] However, science eventually proved gravity. But the proof existed. There is always proof of things that exist.
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Yes, you are right. There is always proof. But that doesn't mean we always [i]have[/i] the proof. I'm sure there's proof for thousands of planets we haven't discovered yet. Does that mean we can say those planets don't exist, just because we don't have the proof? No. All we can say is we can't be certain either way.
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[quote]Yes, you are right. There is always proof. But that doesn't mean we always [i]have[/i] the proof. I'm sure there's proof for thousands of planets we haven't discovered yet. Does that mean we can say those planets don't exist, just because we don't have the proof? No. All we can say is we can't be certain either way.[/quote] You're really not a science person, are you?
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[quote][quote]Yes, you are right. There is always proof. But that doesn't mean we always [i]have[/i] the proof. I'm sure there's proof for thousands of planets we haven't discovered yet. Does that mean we can say those planets don't exist, just because we don't have the proof? No. All we can say is we can't be certain either way.[/quote] You're really not a science person, are you?[/quote] I'm a logic person. And logically, everything I've said has been sound. You don't have proof that I don't have a pet three-headed goat. Just because you've never seen one, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's true that if I claim to have one, then I assume the burden of proof. But this only applies for positive claims. This is because negative claims can't be proven outside of the situations I already named. It would be stupid to claim x doesn't exist, because, unless you were omniscient, you would never know for sure. Unless you're saying something like, "a male woman doesn't exist." Basically negative claims only work with contradictions caused by definitions.
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Okay, then have a good day.
