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2/17/2017 7:32:26 AM
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The special ammo changes alone made my group leave Destiny. I'm sticking around for the time being but will probably play a different game with them at night. And these are guys who have played every single night since launch.
The special ammo changes disrupt the flow of the game and make it less enjoyable in a variety of ways. No one wants to spend a good portion of their playing experience farming for ammo or alternatively be forced to use a gun they do not find as enjoyable as the other options.
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[quote]The special ammo changes alone made my group leave Destiny. I'm sticking around for the time being but will probably play a different game with them at night. And these are guys who have played every single night since launch. The special ammo changes disrupt the flow of the game and make it less enjoyable in a variety of ways. No one wants to spend a good portion of their playing experience farming for ammo or alternatively be forced to use a gun they do not find as enjoyable as the other options.[/quote] Really? THIS was the change that made them drop Destiny? The fact that they can't just run around using shotguns as primary weapons? That's really all the patch changed in terms of weapons that you really can't use like you could before. I think the patch was good for weapon diversity. I'm seeing special weapons other than shotguns and primary weapons other than pulses. I feel like I can use an auto and be competitive, whereas before I felt like I was handicapping myself even if I loved autos and used them effectively.
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You can and always have been able to use any (practically) primary in the game and be competitive in public 6v6 playlists.
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[quote]You can and always have been able to use any (practically) primary in the game and be competitive in public 6v6 playlists.[/quote] And it'll be much easier to do that now that people can't substitute special weapons for primaries.
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Editado por Noir Renard: 2/18/2017 6:37:56 AMMy main problem is its even nerfed in mayham like what the only game mode I can use pocket infinity
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This is both silly and sad. Special ammo pops often enough that it's still plentiful, all that it does is make you use it slightly smarter now. Yes, there is incentive to use side arms, but honestly, most people only get 3-4 kills with specials before dying anyways, so this really doesn't affect much of anything. Once people calm the fark down and realize this, everyone will try to pretend they never lost their shiat over what amounted to nothing. Seriously, make them get their whiney butts on destiny, play with their normal load outs for a few matches, and realize that they still almost always have special within 10-15 seconds of dying, and can still use those guns, but they have to use them in a halfway intelligent manner. In the meantime, primaries have expanded out into what is probably one of the better setups of parity. More scout rifles are getting used, more auto rifles are viable, more pulse rifles are good, and yes, even hand cannons are strong contenders again. I don't see what's to be upset about in regards to weapon changes.
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exactly there is no need to run out and get a side arm if ur not used to it. I was playing clash and half my kills were still from my shotgun.
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I disagree man... they"re forcing you to use side arms.
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Editado por Durandal: 2/18/2017 6:00:20 AMLast I checked I didn't see a member of this supposed bungie gestapo behind me yelling 'diddy mao' while smacking me with bamboo staffs and pointing to sidearms whenever me and my friends pop into crucible. And even yesterday we saw far fewer people running sidearm than Tuesday. Within a week a majority of people will just go back to rocking what they liked before as far as special weapons go.
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If you read through my comments within this thread you will understand the issue better perhaps. Although I would disagree with your notion that "most people only get 3-4 kills with specials before dying anyways" since I don't think most people have around a 3 or 4 k/d, the issue is not at all whatsoever about the effectiveness of any weapon whatsoever compared to any other weapon whatsoever. The issue is simply the disruption to the flow of the game. Perhaps a pve analogy would be better for those of you who aren't necessarily pvp'ers. It's like having the best designed raid ever but between each boss fight or jump puzzle you had to farm 200 wormspore. People would hate the grindy parts and be less inclined to do the raid over and over again. There's no reason why you should need to access special 12 times a match or however many minutes the matches go to. Like I have said numerous times, if they want to limit special ammo on the field, fine. But do so in a better way that does not reduce the flow and enjoyment of the match.
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[quote]If you read through my comments within this thread you will understand the issue better perhaps. Although I would disagree with your notion that "most people only get 3-4 kills with specials before dying anyways" since I don't think most people have around a 3 or 4 k/d, the issue is not at all whatsoever about the effectiveness of any weapon whatsoever compared to any other weapon whatsoever. The issue is simply the disruption to the flow of the game. Perhaps a pve analogy would be better for those of you who aren't necessarily pvp'ers. It's like having the best designed raid ever but between each boss fight or jump puzzle you had to farm 200 wormspore. People would hate the grindy parts and be less inclined to do the raid over and over again. There's no reason why you should need to access special 12 times a match or however many minutes the matches go to. Like I have said numerous times, if they want to limit special ammo on the field, fine. But do so in a better way that does not reduce the flow and enjoyment of the match.[/quote] I don't see this "disruption" you're talking about. Since primary weapons are now more diverse and effective (since everyone isn't running around with special ammo and the special guns that trump primary weapons) you can actually get back into the match with just your primary. Yes, if you die and then run around to special ammo boxes and wait for them for half the match because you can't bring it without your trusty special weapon you're going to be bored and frustrated. But here's the thing - you don't actually need to do that.
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If you are using a sidearm you will not notice the disruption on your end. And I would say it's understandable for a lot of the people to not be aware of how it's disrupting your teammates since that's a rarer skill for these forums and that public teammates are so bad to start with typically.
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[quote]If you are using a sidearm you will not notice the disruption on your end. And I would say it's understandable for a lot of the people to not be aware of how it's disrupting your teammates since that's a rarer skill for these forums and that public teammates are so bad to start with typically.[/quote] But you yourself said yes possible to be competitive with any primary, which means there shouldn't be much of a disruption.
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No, the disruption has added 2 negative elements to individual gunfights: slowed the game pace and added more RNG when there is a good possibility that one of the participants doesn't have special when the other does. It's not a matter of competitiveness.
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[quote]No, the disruption has added 2 negative elements to individual gunfights: slowed the game pace and added more RNG when there is a good possibility that one of the participants doesn't have special when the other does. It's not a matter of competitiveness.[/quote] If you want faster kill times I'd argue you were always playing the wrong game. That's what CoD is for - or Titanfall 2.'
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You could always, you know, only grab special when it's convenient. Worked great for me.
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Editado por ThDecrepitWriter: 2/18/2017 6:23:10 AMHey man, I see your point but, every new patch disrupted the game in some manner that forced others to change and adapt. This is exactly the same thing, forcing those who only relied on special before to actually use their primary's. (This is in no reference to you) Now maybe they didn't have to make it so special came out every minute. But would you personally perfered it to come out every 4-5 mins like before? ( I apologize if I'm incorrect on the time displacement). This patch was meant for more primary gunplay. Just like the meta before was meant for shotguns AND pulse rifles. And in all honesty in my opinion unless you had a good pulse, than sticking to shotgun was a viable option.
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Editado por Eroc: 2/18/2017 6:49:51 AMNo I agree with you in concept but my major complaint is that it is poorly implemented. I appreciate the premise that they want people to use primary more often, but to encourage you to spend less time playing the game (by spending more and more time pulling ammo crates) is where it fails. It was a lazy or at best, a poorly thought out, way to reach that goal. Like I said before, I would even take them giving you a full mag of special and have it stay with you when you respawn but not have ANY special spawn on the map and that would be a better implementation because you wouldn't get frequently distracted from the match to search out special ammo when you need it (which is often if you don't use a gimmick exotic or a sidearm). As it stands now, it adds even more RNG to fights (does either I or he have any shotty/sniper ammo) and encourages teams to play even less as a team since there are more individual priorities. If I run sidearm, it's great, I can ignore special altogether and just play the objective and help my team. But if I don't, it's horrible. To me, and probably a lot of people, the other special weapons are actually enjoyable to use. If sidearms were more fun to use than the others, I would be fine with this. But the mechanics are just like my primary and so it doesn't add to the experience. I normally am just switching between handcannons, it's just that one of them is called a sidearm. I can't help but compare this game to Gears of War. When that came out, everyone used shotties ("gnashers") predominantly and everyone just loved that game. The devs hated that everyone was using their secondary as a primary and so they nerfed the shotty playstyle so much in the sequal that it effectively flopped. They tried to bring it back in Gears 3 but the fanbase never recovered. With a fast paced game like Destiny, the special weapon use really gives it it's character. When was the last time you saw a montage that included primary kills? It's boring, except at the highest competitive level.
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Learn how to use a primary
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Are you asking me to teach you how to use a primary? Sorry I'm on Xbox. Although let me know which one you would like to work on and I can maybe just make a vid for you.
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Use a primary
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Are you asking me to teach you how to use a primary? Sorry I'm on Xbox. Although let me know which one you would like to work on and I can maybe just make a vid for you. I can do this all day, sport. Better that than me bringing up other things, amirite.
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Use a primary
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Do you even know what a primary is in this game? You have a negative k/d while on playstation while having your most used gun a shotgun. I take that back. Not even I could probably teach you how to use a primary.
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Use a primary
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