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4/14/2016 8:42:45 PM
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I like how after class buffs people are always like " at least warlocks/titans are as good as hunters now..". Do you not realize hunters are garbage? Bladedancer is COMPLETELY broken at this point. Worst class in the game now. Gunslinger is decent where it's at. Nightstalker is ok besides tether taking 2 years to activate. VW was decent, sunsingers were already top tier in pvp. Stormcaller were op. So while I do agree with a VW buff I feel they buffed it way too much. It's absolutely op now even though people will defend it. I don't even care about a buff for my class (bladedancer ) but you should probably fix something that's actually broken before you "fix" something thats not.
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Straight out of the mouth of Bungie when looking at statistics: "Players in the lower skill brackets believe BladeDancer to be weak. Players in the higher skill bracket believe it to be one of the best." All that needs to be said really. They were pretty much saying scrubs have no concept of neutral game. They only see supers. Scrubs don't know what a utility super is. Hence the "Arc Blade and Shadowshot sux!" Both utility supers. Gotta use them at the right time
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That's the thing. I think BD is great, it's literally all I use. But if you really don't think the hit detection is a serious problem you obviously don't play it. It's inconsistent to the point to where you may whipe a team, or you may hit someone 4-5 times just for them to look at you. I don't even use the super anymore because it's such a toss up if the hits will even land, if they don't you die because it forces you into melee range. I definitely don't depend on supers, I rarely use them but I still think they should work correctly.
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Editado por XCertifiedSwagX: 4/23/2016 3:47:40 PMHit detection is a GAME issue not BD issue. Flame shield and scorch doesn't proc 30 percent of the time, I've had some hilarious shoulder non-charge moments, etc etc. But I do get how the BDcer is a melee based super so it's more noticeable. That being said you'll average about 2 supers a game compared to having a jacked regular melee all game long. In fact, BDcers benefit from the terrible hit detection more than other classes as that causes BackStab to proc on front and side, and top and anywhere else they wanna stab lol
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It's effects blink strike really bad too, while I admit sometimes it front backstabs most of the time it usually just pushes the target. I don't think BD needs to be buffed at all, it's already amazing. It just really really suffers from hit detection atm making it very inconsistent in competitive play. Bugs should be fixed before tweaking classes imo
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Over forty responses to this one? Who's got the popcorn?
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Editado por Soul_Eater_42: 4/16/2016 5:54:56 PMThe issue with the Bladedancer's Arcblade is a result of a coding error with melee-based abilities, not a broken subclass. As for Nightstalker, Predator is a surprisingly underrated perk. Great for setting Tether traps. Especially for those roaming Supers and heavy ammo crates. Hardly ever see anyone use it.
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I got four kills with bladedancer 3 times. Your probably just playing against laggy people
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Sorry,but I disagree incredibly. Hunter utility is miles above the other 2. Blink and shadow step alone make pvp way easier. The bow is an absolute monster, unfortunately people are total idiots and try to use it as a 1v1 or panick super. Drop it near a group of enemies and its open season. The people whining are playing the class like it's supposed to be a no thought required choice.
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Warlocks have blink. Titans even have an evade with twilight ? I never said nightstalker was bad, I said it was fine. My only issue is with the hit detection bug, it effects BD the most out of any class and makes an amazing class complete shit. I play BD and still do well, but I rarely even use the super because it's rediculously inconsistent
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Walk into mayhem clash and then tell me hunters are in a bad place. The issues with hunters are not gameplay/perk issues like the void walker was. The issue is usually hit detection, which is more of a coding issue than a class issue.
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[quote]Walk into mayhem clash and then tell me hunters are in a bad place. The issues with hunters are not gameplay/perk issues like the void walker was. The issue is usually hit detection, which is more of a coding issue than a class issue.[/quote]
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for the love of god, shut the -blam!- up with those "bladedancer is a shit class now"- comments. i get it, melee registration sucks, but that counts for all subclasses!!! the neutral game of bladedancer is amazing and so is nightstalker (plus it has an amazing super). golden gun is the best super in the game, but neutral game is decent.
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And nightstalker does not have an amazing super. That's pretty funny actually. It takes tether way too long to activate.
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tether is an amazing super! you gotta play it strategically. it is probably the super that takes the most skill, but it shuts down any super, shuts down paths, supresses and binds the enemy while they take way more damage. i am not gonna argue with anyone that uses quiver. quiver is stupid and they just put it in so that the hunters can finish their nightstalker quest faster. the true power lies in black hole and blood bound.
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I use blackhole because it's the best option, it's a fine super but better options are around. The tether does take a little too long, just not my cup of tea
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yes, what i said though is it is an amazing super, so i guess it is opinion related. a strong super makes up for an lacking neutral game. hunters have both (mainly takling bladedancer and nightstalker). amazing neutral game and an amazing super. golden gun has the best super in the game, but the neutral game could be consider lacking a bit, but again, the super makes up for it.
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Health regen is melee based. (Hungering blade), blink got nerfed (it's still decent ), quickdraw is amazing. What I'm getting at is even a very important neutral game node is tied to melee. Just like the super is melee based. Not saying BD doesn't have an amazing neutral game, because it does. I'm saying it a melee heavy class that's experiencing a bad hit detection bug and that's a pretty big deal
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Ok so hit registration being god awful on a strictly melee class isn't a problem? You obviously don't play the class that's why you don't care. If you actually read my post I even say it doesn't need a buff at all, it just needs to be fixed because it's completely broken at this point. I also pointed out the other hunter classes are fine, learn to read and see another persons point of view
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"Strictly melee class" See "First Person Shooter"
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The super is melee based. You are disagreeing with that? Lmao
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No, but saying that a super is EVERYTHING is simply not true. Blade dancer's have such a strong neutral game. Skip grenades, blink, instant kill melee, stealth... I agree, hit detection needs to be fixed. But the class is so far from useless.
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So instead you are saying yes it's an issue but your other stuff is so good that you should overlook it? No a super isn't everything but let me explain it like this. Say grenades on a sunsinger started working half the time, would you say the sunsingers neutral game is so strong that it doesn't matter? Nah, people would flip about it because sunsingers are built around nades. Just like BD'S are built around melee that currently works half the time
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I am saying that it is an issue. They have made it clear that they are aware of the issue. It will either be fixed or it won't. But I am still capable of winning games as a blade dancer, and as long as the connections are okay, the hit detection isn't a huge issue either. Gunslinger is great, Nightstalker is great, and if played well, Bladedancer can wipe trials teams pretty regularly. I've done it, and I'm awful at trials.
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I'm not arguing that you cant do well with BD. I'm still usually the top scorer, I'm just pointing out they decided to do class tweaking before fixing a real bug. That's pretty dumb imo.
