I loved raiding but they ruined it. They listened to streamers who wanted a super hard raid to make their little guide videos and made the raid so time consuming and challenging, no one is running it but the rank 11 toxic sweats. I was looking for a normal group that wasn't a "master challenge" one last night for two hours and when I did find one, it was still those toxic elitists that started whining and rage quitting after one wipe. Raiding used to be fun but they ruined it to appease the streamers and now 80% of the population is gone. Absolutely 0 sympathy for the devs who made those decisions.

Too much of the game has been made inaccessible to the casual player. It was bound to happen eventually. If you listen to a vocal (yet loud) minority you will of course win plaudits and accolades. However you risk alienating a very large chunk of your player base who jump on in the evenings after a full (and at times stressful) day at work. L The casual has become somewhat of a dirty word on this forum but whatever your thoughts maybe about it this game simply needs numbers to function properly. I have 4000 hours in destiny which probably look like rookie numbers to some of you that do little else but play this game 24/7. But myself and many others in the same boat have now completed the excellent campaign and have come to the realisation that the promise of acts has turned out to be yet more of the same. I would have always completed the seasonal story but now I really just can’t face logging on and the more time that passes the easier that is to do. As they have admitted they have clearly spread themselves to thin rather than focusing on their base. I am very sad to hear of all the talent that has now suffered as a result. Some accountability surely needs to reside with upper management but I don’t see anyone falling on their swords… If I were them I would put all my effort into making Marathon a fresh and thrilling experience as at present I and many others have little reason to return to a 10 year old title that is really starting to show its age now when you look at Nexons glossy coated alternative.

That’s Bungie’s beautiful inclusive rainbow world where everyone is welcome. Unless you’re not a full time gamer. In that case, you can hit Eververse and then F off to the forums to get insulted by gremlins sitting in their mom’s basement who have never written a job application and wish they were a streamer.

Remember “Destiny” had less content but it was driven by Grimoire cards & lure books. Now “Destiny 2” has more content but the Story is total mess…sunset gear, removed original story (old raids & location like planets) & seasonal content -_-. I felt I was happy back then with less content than I do now.

Also turning strikes into battlegrounds. Mainly see nobody for that yet they keep doing it

For me the down fall of this game started with sunsetting, play bungie’s way, and constant nerfs to fun builds, and the introduction of the DCV. Sunsetting basically showed they have no respect for players time investment. Then they reverse the sunsetting years after they advised us we could safely delete them. I don’t care about how everything has been power crept. Removing content, cycling it back to us, and focusing more so on the seasonal content rather than core stuff is what slowly killed the game for me. I don’t care what the reasons are, removing content we paid for is a middle finger to the customer. Play bungie’s way has been a constant pain point for me and lots of other players. Constant nerfs done to fun builds gives less options for build crafting and worse part is we have no say in anything because it’s bungie’s game not ours at the end of the day.

Most of my friends don't play because they can't afford to. I have like 6 friends that don't play or just stopped playing and don't anymore because the seasonal track fomo asks them to pay $100 and they're just not gonna no matter how good the content is.

Numbers: https://activeplayer.io/steam/destiny-2

The seasonal story is insufferable. Cheating in pvp is on another level. The matchmaking in PvP is awful. The server lag in PvP is awful. The list is endless. Just keeps going.

It's quite funny - I invested too much money in a game that tries to find the balance between satisfaction and dissatisfaction. It often feels very unbalanced, you have to do too much micromanagement. But it's also strange that the co-op game tries to bring out the single player in you - travelling alone in Pale Heart, or at most in a party of three, with the other guys off somewhere. It feels so disconnected. I perceive the game as an offline game and that explains why so many players drop. The story is over and that's it. Yes, I'm not interested in the sappy story of Osiris and Saint. I don't like it. So - login to visit the Eververse and see what you get "for free" and play a mission. Thats it. Bungie has already achieved something - 10 years of Destiny. That's quite an achievement. But it's tiring on the other side.

bungie increased difficulty in many ways across the board. this was great for the top 10% . but the reality hit them square in the face when they woke up. it's unfortunate that so many had to lose their job over it. the rest of the BS they tell you is just that BS. they never listened to the community and had tunnel vision on for the streamers . And ultimately shot there own foot off including the streamers foot.

Well said. At least now we know that the real Saint-14, the strongest & most fear TITAN of all times is dead & the one we have now is not the real one, which explains a lot. They keep nerfing TITANs. The once called “TANKS” & turned them into soy boys. I hope that SONY is cleaning house the right way & the right people so DESTINY can be great again as it was at the beginning.

Yes hunters spam is plaque to the crucible and for how long do we have to put up with it? While titans and warlocks get nerfed next day. Also another issue why the game is dead is because of sbmm for years now it’s been on and that’s why I don’t play anymore (also I’m banned temporarily) but before i rarely played because I knew what was going to happen in pvp. I will be the one getting all bots while the other team are average joes farming my bots.

The difficulty increase in lightfall, the -5 and the severe lack of pinnacle rewards for solo players is what killed it for me. I'm not a S tier player I can admit that probably not even an A tier player. So I used to slowly grind away my power level at my own pace to the point I was over leveled when I went into raids or dungeons, that way I wasn't as big of a detriment to my team. The reason I did this is because you can watch as many videos/guides as you want for an activity but until you have experienced it you really don't know it. Being over leveled gave me a crutch/cushion to learn the activity. Once I had learned the mechanics and call outs I was fine, many players I used to play with have left the game for these exact reasons It's really a shame that the game is only now cater to the elite players now where I used to feel like d1-d2 used to offer a stepping stone type difficulty spike for players like myself