This really should be the spark to ignite a firestorm against cnn. Infringing on someone's first amendment right, regardless of what that person said, is against federal law and cnn should face the consequences for it. Everyone in America has the right to say whatever they want and if you don't like what you hear then you can ignore it. No-one is making you listing/watch to what an individual is saying. If you are angered by someone saying something then that's your problem, it's when words become actions is where free speech ends, and I'm talking about actions that can physically hurt people and property.
If a single person's right to speak can be taken away then everyone's right to speak is at jeopardy.
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Free speech applies to the government. It doesn't mean that there can't be any consequences for what you say from others.
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Edited by Dr Livingston 9: 7/7/2017 12:15:41 PMhttps://www.justice.gov/crt/conspiracy-against-rights those consequences can not limit a person's right by that law that i linked. They made that law to protect people's rights against other people . Those consequences can not be illegal.
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Very true, but it's not illegal to mention the name of a person you've spoken to in this case. CNN is in the clear.
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Also there is good evidence that cnn targeted the wrong guy. http://www.dailywire.com/news/18286/breaking-cnn-may-have-targeted-wrong-reddit-meme-ben-shapiro
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Even if its legal to release his personal info using that as leverage is blackmail. there are numerous lawyers willing to take this persons case. Cnn used intimidation to infringe on his free speech rights. CNN also doxed him which is illegal. i find out what is going on by REAL lawyers online your not a lawyer and Cnn broke a federal law the conspiracy against rights and the new York coercion law as well as a Georgia law. http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/05/ted-cruz-cnn-may-broken-law-doxxing-threat/ you can not stop people from free speech if that free speech is legal by threats or intimidation. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said CNN may have broken the law in threatening to publicly expose the person who created a GIF of Donald Trump appearing to beat up a man with a CNN logo for a head. After the president tweeted out the GIF last week, CNN has been on a warpath to hunt down the creator and make him pay. In an article published Tuesday, entitled “How CNN found the Reddit user behind the Trump wrestling GIF,” Andrew Kaczynski had this to say about why the network decided to keep his identity under wraps. look at the link . https://www.justice.gov/crt/conspiracy-against-rights the only people's opinions that matter in this case are lawyers because they are trained in the law and know the law. Cnn broke a georgia law, as well as a federal and new York law.
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Edited by Flee: 7/7/2017 4:31:30 PMBut I am an actual lawyer. Doxing is not at all illegal. The law your article refers to only applies when it is done to "unlawfully obtain property" from a person, which they clearly weren't doing. CNN also already released a sound explanation of why they used that poor wording and the victim himself has said there's been no extortion or threats of any kind, so that's probably out of the question. So, as an actual lawyer, I cannot imagine them guilty of the conspiracy crime and getting them on doxing or blackmail is incredibly unlikely. I'm not defending CNN because they were clearly in the wrong, but the criminal case against them is weak and in shambles.
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Edited by Dr Livingston 9: 7/7/2017 6:09:06 PMThe victim screwed up by saying there has been no extortion or threats of any kind. you might be right what the victim did might have ruined his case. They did email him but the contents of that email is not known. This case could open up if the contents of that email is ever discovered.
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Could you also see that releasing someones info could put them at harm? I thought you can not release someone's info if they dont give you permisson. so CNN can go around finding everyone that ever created a meme and post their infomation everywhere?
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Edited by Dr Livingston 9: 7/7/2017 4:39:49 PMThere is a youtuber i watch who used to be prosecutor his youtube channel is Lionel Nation and he thinks they di break the law but thinks Cnn will get off because of who they are. I read doxing is only illegal if they obtain the information from sources other then social media. "In short, no. So long as the information gathered is from publicly accessed accounts (like a Facebook page or any other social media account not in ‘private’ mode) and what is published is used within ethical standards. However, those doxing with a more insidious agenda (such as using personal information to blackmail someone) could be committing a crime if their motives are proven." Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/05/what-is-doxing-and-is-it-illegal-heres-how-people-dox-and-what-you-can-do-to-avoid-it-6757123/#ixzz4mAF89NMT The paragraph from a other website I posted here said that using personal information to blackmail someone could be committing a crime. did Cnn not put a condition on releasing his information . They said in veiled threat that he appoligized and promised to never do it again. They also said that this could set a example for others. so its perfectly fine for a media company to stop the speech of a individual that they tracked down ? Do you see the problem with this that they could go after 1000's of people . do you have a link of cnn's explanation Their poor wording? I am going to try and find it. is there some open to interpretation here on this case? what if you obtained someone's info through their ISP ?
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Lionel Nation? The guy whose opinions are so discredited that he only makes TV on Russia Today? Who genuinely believes that [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WQ5SXEAA0U]aliens have built superstructures on earth that are kept hidden by the government?[/url] That there are [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpUh9FIo1Uw]advanced aliens living among us who control the pope?[/url] That [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDIYC0TeCjI]the attack on 9/11[/url] was all a conspiracy? The guy who has dozens and dozens of videos dating back well before this event dedicated to attacking the mainstream media and supporting anything related to Trump? Please don't tell me you think this actual nutjob with an insane amount of bias is anywhere near a reliable source on this. CNN has explained that the comment meant that there was no deal made. As in, we did not sign any contract or agreement that we would keep this person's identity a secret in exchange for anything. Or we did not put ourselves or the other person in a position where we or them were coerced into signing anything we could not get out of. Whether or not you believe that is what they actually meant, it's what their official statement says and what the author of the article tweeted almost immediately after the fact. Add onto that the victim confirmed there was no coercion of any kind, and you should understand why this is never going to amount to blackmail in court. Access to IP and subscriber data from ISP's is reserved for law enforcement and the likes. Citizens and normal business do not normally have access to it. Everything that CNN did to obtain his information is legal. They found the guy's online name and Reddit account, and it turns out he made enough posts about his personal life on freely accessible online forums that they were able to figure out his name and contact him through Facebook. As I already said, CNN was wrong. Them going after this person was petty and stupid. They shouldn't have done this and while the outrage seems excessive and somewhat misguided (their explanation does make some sense), they should have expected consequences like this. But were their actions illegal? I doubt it.
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I have seen him on fox news recently but like i said he is not the main person i listen too and only listened to him for his legal analysis. i have a podcast that i like and is my favorate. I only view lionel for legal analysis because i agree with it. there are other youtubers that also take my view point on what cnn did. maybee you have a point that as messed up as it is you cant find Cnn liable.
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Edited by Dr Livingston 9: 7/8/2017 3:31:11 AMI love russia today. its the most unbiased media. or at least the most unbaised that i can watch in the states.
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Come on man. It's widely seen as a Russian propaganda outlet. They're notorious for spreading false information, conspiracy theories and having an extreme pro-Russia and conservative slant. http://archives.cjr.org/feature/what_is_russia_today.php https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rt-news/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Propaganda_claims_and_related_issues "Funded by the Russian government. The Kremlin's propaganda machine known as Putin's Weapon of Mass Deception. Highly biased toward Russia and occasionally runs Pro-state conspiracy stories. RT has been frequently described as a propaganda outlet for the Russian government and its foreign policy. RT has also been accused of spreading disinformation by news reporters, including some former RT reporters, The United Kingdom media regulator, Ofcom, has repeatedly found RT to have breached rules on impartiality, and of broadcasting "materially misleading" content." You're making it very hard to have a serious discussion when you're starting this off by saying Russia Today, an outlet funded and directed by the Russian government that has been fined around the world for being partial and deliberately spreading misinformation and demonstrable lies, as "the most unbiased media".
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Edited by Dr Livingston 9: 7/9/2017 12:37:22 AMso you can only have a serious conversation with people you agree with? Im not saying RT is unbiased but it seems more unbaised then CNN AND FOX NEWS. thats how bad the american media is. A liberal on RT maybee you might like it better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxXu-vRC36k
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xheibt74DcA a good explination of why to watch RT.
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Edited by Dr Livingston 9: 7/8/2017 4:20:17 PMSpreading false information like CNN . Cnn is the worst. I think i like russia today because they have american guests on that i agree with. The united states is filled with propaganda by the main stream media. I don't watch RT often only when they have a guest on that I like. The most unbiased media is the non mainstream media. Most people today are using the internet now to get their news where news stations like cnn and fox news and msnbc are not getting the viewers they used too. Cnn's numbers are horrible. I don't doubt there is a little propaganda on RT but it exposes American lies. You do know conspiracy theory was first named by the CIA to discredit the conspiracies around the JFK assassination. It was a way to discredit any thinking that what the news told you was lie. while not every conspiracy theory is true some are. When I watched Russia today when they had a guest on that I liked I said wow this is one of the few stations that don't have a liberal slant. I don't watch a ton of Russia today but maybe I should watch more to see if I can see any propaganda. I get most of my news from the internet. I find out extra details on new stories that the main stream media often omits. Could you say all media can be called bias if it does not agree with your opinion? Can you name a source of news that just reports the news and does not create a narrative?
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Edited by Dr Livingston 9: 7/8/2017 3:21:20 AMFirst off im new to Lionel nation. I don't believe in all that alien shit. i started watching him when he commeneted on the michelle carter case . He talks about his wacky vegatarian diet which is very unhealthy. I was only interested in his legal analysis and his legal analysis only. IF you dont think something funny happened in 9/11 i dont know what to tell you. there are scientists and engineers that have commented on how funny a building can fall free fall. Not to mention no plane hit building 7 and it was demolition. there is speculation that they found this guy through time warner . Cnn is owned by time warner and some speculate that Cnn obtained his info through time warner. This might be considered new ground since Cnn is going after a private citizen in my personal opinion deserves his anonymity . your not commenting on the potential that CNN might have went after the wrong person. meaning he did not make the meme he only re posted it.
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Edited by Dr Livingston 9: 7/8/2017 3:59:30 AMI also know that in almost in any profession experts can disagree. you can find lawyers that are very good that can agree with you. also you can find lawyers that are very good that might have a different spin on the law. prosecutor vs defense is only one example. hell a lawyer got oj simpson off if that does not tell you anything ha ha. im curios what type of lawyer are you? there are lawyers that are only patent lawyers. where they would not have as much knowledge to criminal cases. You dont have to tell me but if you dont mind im curious on what kind of lawyer you are.
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You obviously have not read the first amendment let alone the Bill of Rights. I strongly suggest doing so.
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You might want to take your own advice. The first amendment: "[b]Congress[/b] shall make [b]no law[/b] respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or [b]abridging the freedom of speech[/b], or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances" Please tell me how this text, which literally says nothing other than that Congress cannot make laws restricting free speech, somehow means that others can't assign consequences to your actions.
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You're right it literally says nothing about that but it doesn't give anyone the right to silence anyone else. That's what I'm getting at. CNN doesn't get to make up rules and enforce them with intimidation. If this is allowed then any company or group can dictate what we can and cannot say.
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Edited by Flee: 7/7/2017 12:15:38 PMHow are they silencing him? You have an incredibly misguided understanding of the first amendment. They're not stopping him from speaking. They're just saying that they can make his name public if he does. The first amendment reserves your right to speak. It does not reserve you from being held accountable for the things you say. If a person posts racist things on his Facebook and his company fires him because they don't want to be associated with him, they're not doing anything wrong nor are they infringing on his first amendment rights. If a person says sexist things and he's then declined from speaking at a conference on feminism, he's not being censored. So no, you've got this very wrong. They can't physically stop you from speaking. But that doesn't mean they have to give you a platform to speak on or can't react negatively when you say dumb things. Please read up on this and educate yourself a little.
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Just don't bother. Already tried, its a waste of time. I think people have ceased to understand that the media and the government aren't one entity. News organisations can take away peoples right to free speech because someone might attack someone who said something. No one ever got attacked for saying things or looking a certain way before CNN came along. Got it.