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1/8/2016 5:45:49 AM
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First off don't count suicide as gun deaths, if someone wants to commit suicide they will the means by which they do it with is irrelevant.
Second the USA is waaay bigger than the majority of European countries.
The biggest European country is Russia with 144 million, followed by Germanny with 81 million.
Than there are a few countries like the UK and the Netherlands that have around 60 and 16 million people respectively, after them the majority of European countries have less than 10 million people per country.
The united states has around 320 million people meaning it is not comparable to the average single European country.
When the united states is compared state by state to the average European country the European countries come up short the majority of time in many regards including gun violence and as a side note the most populated and powerful European countries like the uk and Germany would be poorer than Mississippi the poorest us state.
Third Europe including the uk have gun violence and like the us the majority of gun violence occurs with illegal unregistered guns, this is part of the reason we rally against gun controll it is because countries like yours have proven it futile.
You continue to run your country how you want and don't mind how we run ours, it works for most of us.
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[quote]First off don't count suicide as gun deaths, if someone wants to commit suicide they will the means by which they do it with is irrelevant.[/quote] The means by which people attempt suicide is actually very relevant.
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How you figure? Plenty of people purposely od or jump off a brigde. I had a friend who owned a gun and he hung himself. Way i see it if want to die you will seek or cause your own death somehow.
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Gun ownership is heavily correlated to higher suicide rates across the US and guns are far and away the most effective and preferred method of suicide. Guns are the leading cause of successful suicide and suicide is the leading cause of gun deaths for a reason. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/ http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/survival/
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If guns are so bad in regards to suicide, please explain why South Korea has almost 2.5x as many suicides as the US. South Korea has some of the strictest gun control [i]on the planet.[/i]
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Edited by tjustie: 1/8/2016 7:34:19 AMI don't know the situation in South Korea or why people in South Korea are more suicidal than other developed countries. I would guess it may have something to do with asian culture generally being more accepting of suicide, or other cultural differences in how people deal with things, as Japan is also at the top in suicides. I also know a significant proportion of North Korean defectors to South Korea commit suicide in comparison to the rest of the populace. My argument only deals with America however, and suicide and guns have been undeniably shown to be linked in America. Maybe if you took guns out of America, the suicide rate would fall, and maybe if you introduced guns into South Korea, the same patterns seen in America would be seen and the suicide rate would rise. Maybe in the end it wouldn't change much. I don't know. I'm simply presenting facts on how guns and suicide are most definitely linked [b]in America[/b] and suggesting that it is probable that suicides could be reduced in America with proper action on guns.
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Well its a no brainer its a quick efficient method but if someone wants to commit suicide they will. Its not like they won't because they don't have a gun.
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That's why I posted those two links. Guns are by far the most effective method. This is fact. Most attempted suicide survivors don't go on to attempt suicide again. This is also fact. See the connection here?
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They don't? Tell that to my brother. He's in the hospital, right now, thanks to attempt 5 or 6, or 7. Honestly, I've lost count. Your notion that people don't try more than once is pure fallacy.
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My notion that I got from reading studies like the ones linked in the Harvard article up there? I see no fallacy here. On the other hand, you using a single anecdote as a basis for your incorrect point, that is a fallacy.
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Um, because statistics are [i]never[/i] biased, or manipulated.
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And your statistics are where? What exactly are you suggesting is manipulated when a study takes a group of live individuals, and then determines whether they're dead or not later? Harvard is one of the most prestigious universities in the world. Come up with something more than that half assed argument.
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No, thanks. You're so high on the sniff of your own ass, that you'll refute anything less than Ivy League.
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Nice baseless assumption and ad hominem, but I guess that's what happens when you don't actually have anything of value to say. Why is it that so many people here can't debate without acting like complete and utter morons?
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Edited by RUSTY CHAMBERS: 1/8/2016 8:43:31 AMYou tell me, moron. http://www.suicide.org/after-suicide-attempt-risk-high-for-suicide.html Why can't geniuses like you manage a rudimentary search of Google? You know what's funny about people like you? When shown points of fact that contradict your [i]brilliant[/i] assertions, you go dark. Much like you did with my question about South Korea. Perhaps your chubby fingers get tired with all your warrior duties? Maybe you're so high from butt sniff that you're just incapable of [i]real[/i] research? Your arrogance, and ignorance is baffling. But hey, continue the naive belief that people only attempt suicide once, then somehow see the light.
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Edited by tjustie: 1/8/2016 12:43:20 PMThat site contradicts Harvard with a single sentence and no research or statistics, so excuse me if I remain unconvinced. It's also pretty cute that you dedicated 3 paragraphs to insulting me. Is there even a reasonable bone in your body? Here's some more links for you. I'm still waiting for yours. http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/well/2014/12/01/therapy-prevents-repeat-suicide-attempts/?_r=1&referer=http://m.livescience.com/44615-suicide-help.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2885157/#S21title http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1521/suli.34.1.1.27772/abstract?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage= http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s007870170022 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12204922 http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/S15374424JCCP3202_14 All of the studies in these links showed that the majority of suicide attempters did not attempt suicide later on in the studies.
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Gotta say no if someone -blam!-s up suicide it just means there a idiot as well as a quitter.
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Or, they're desperate for attention.
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...I have no words for that.
