The emergence of red death has changed this a bit. I now find that those DOT kills in used to getting don't happen because red death healed them. Seems like a red death vs thorn crucible now.
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When I get shot by a Red Death I usually assume it's a hand cannon because the impact from the first burst of rounds feels like getting hit by a luck in the chamber round from a Hawkmoon lol. It's quite ridiculous really.