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1/12/2024 10:02:17 PM
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You have severe depression and anxiety. You shouldn't be playing trials. That's all there is to it.
That's not on me, that's not on bungie, and so long as you're doing whatever is in your power to try and improve that situation, it's not even on you.
Like I said, trials is for a very specific kind of player, and right now it's doing very well at catering to that type of player, but it's not for everyone, and if it's not for you then that's ok.
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I have all that + paranoid schizophrenic... I played trials ... What you just did, speak on behalf of others you clearly have limited knowledge on, is kinda why you replied to OP......
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I was speaking as someone who used to suffer from severe depression and anxiety, and playing a hyper competitive mode generally did not help with that. If you can manage it, good on you, but my point is when someone is unhealthy it shouldnt necessarily be bungies job to cater to them
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You know exactly what I spoke to. But if you insist.. It was you telling this person not to play. When in fact playing could possibly be the cure.
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The cure to depression and anxiety is therapy, and if you are desperately in need of it, medication in order to restore a chemical balance. Treating it through video games like this is an attempt to self medicate, which usually only serves to cover up symptoms rather than solve the overall problem. Suggesting that playing a video game is the cure sounds like the rationale that a sufferer of manic depression would go through in order to avoid going through therapy. Its something that people do because they are afraid that curing their depression will also remove their manic episodes, and are generally too afraid to lose those high highs in order to actually solve the low lows.
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Nope, Sovereign said it nicely.
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Sovereign never claimed that trials is curing their depression And as I already said, if you can make it work, good for you, but competitive games cause heightened levels of stress. This is well known. It may be [i]possible[/i] for someone to manage their stress in spite of depression and anxiety, but it's not a cure. You don't get to "nope" your way out of that. Again, I suffered from severe depression and anxiety. This isn't something that I know nothing about.
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Well, lol... I never "claimed" trials was a cure. I said it could possibly be a cure. When dealing with mental health YOU don't know what trigger is or isn't needed. Standing up and meeting it face to face is typically a good thing. But... Lol... You've proven this to be a waste of time...
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[quote]When dealing with mental health YOU don't know what trigger is or isn't needed[/quote] And you do? That's the kind of thing you find out after talking with a qualified therapist. Despite suffering from mental health issues, I somehow doubt that you are a mental health specialist. And besides, the ENTIRE POINT that OP was making is that they don't want to play trials. I'm saying that if they're depressed, and don't want to play trials, then they probably shouldn't. You aren't just arguing against me, you're arguing against the person you're trying to argue FOR. I'd agree. You are wasting your time.
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I never argued. Lol.. Not a single person, including your "therapists" know, I am not the one maing claims of what ppl should or shouldn't do based on their mental health... You did that.. Lol... Therapy doesn't help everyone btw. Clearly... Waste of time
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Youve been arguing this entire time. You really werent lying about being schizophrenic huh
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Lmao.... I never once argued. There is no argument being made????!!!! Yes I am... Why would I lie about that? This could possibly be a debate, but 100% not an argument... Lmfao... Wow... Yep. Absolute waste.
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Edited by Dredgen Truth: 1/15/2024 4:55:43 AMthen why do you keep coming back a debate is a series of arguments, inherently argumentative
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LOL? Because you responded?!??!?! Wooooooooooooow... How dare you try to mock my condition and you can't even realize when you are having a conversation... Sheeeeeeeeeeesh
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If you're so convinced that you're wasting your time then what's the point in continuing to do it The healthy thing to do would be leave but you have something to prove, you want to prove me wrong because the things I'm saying to you are making you heated. You want me to admit i'm wrong because you'll feel vindicated. I won't, because I'm not. So yeah, you're wasting your time.
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Good lord the amount of assumptions are ridiculous... Lmao... Holy shiznit... You are full of entertainment. Please enlighten me some more.....
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And here you are again You want to have the last word in dude, it's so incredibly transparent. You're not going to get through to me because the things you're saying sound insane from my perspective. Why do you keep "wasting your time". Go do something productive.
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LOL.... I'm here to waste time!! I was referring to the conversation.... And how you CLEARLY thought a conversation was an argument... Sheesh..... Good stuff. Every time you reply.. It's me getting a chuckle. The lengths you go to... To be right or wrong... In a conversation about mental health.... Like whoa.... Yeah... You got it potna.. You wanna argue? Hit me with your best factual information about how playing Trials is bad for people with mental health. I'll argue that....
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[url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8188925/[/url] [quote]Adolescent boys with Internet gaming disorder have higher rate of anxiety, depression, and alexithymia. In adolescent girls with Internet gaming disorder, depression manifest at higher rate than anxiety and alexithymia[/quote] [quote]Esports players faced different types of stress factors, including communication problems and concerns with competing in front of a live audience, mirroring the mental conditions experienced by pro athletes, including footballers and rugby stars in high-profile tournaments. Similarly, excessive video game playing was related to social life distress, disturbance occupational activities, and academic performance among high school students, college students, and adults.[/quote] Of course, this study is mainly in regard to Esports, in which the live audience factor is important, but beyond the live audience factor a lot of these things still stand true. If you'd be willing to accept anecdotes I could also give you ALL the times that, when I was still depressed, playing trials actively made the problem worse because my failure to perform made me feel that I was worthless. The same stands true for many of my friends, who are still suffering from depression.
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No, I don't want someone else's research. You said you know first hand, so you are all I need to read about. You've stated multiple times that if it helped me, good for me. Sovereign said it wasn't a hindrance either. So there is 2 ( myself ) blatantly obvious points that refute anything you type. It is a case by case situation and you have no idea if it could help or harm this person. 1 thing is for sure though, feeding into their thought process, only reinforces their thought process. But, this really isn't an argument. There is no argument that can be made, on this subject. It is literally a trial and error, case by case scenario. No blueprint... What can cure 1.. Can be the trigger to another. And that was my whole point. This was you going to lengths to ... Be right... This is not an argument. Good luck out there.
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To answer on the knowing first hand thing, It's been a few years since I was really in the thick of depression, but here's what I can tell you about it. Trials is GREAT, when you're winning. It always managed to bring about a sort of manic feeling, which feels amazing in the moment, but by it's nature it's difficult to stay winning long enough to get what you want (which is generally a flawless run). When you are losing, it is generally incredibly frustrating. It could be that you feel the matchmaking gave you bad teammates and put good players on the other team, it can be an unbalanced weapon or subclass, or some inconsistency that doesn't make sense on your part bringing about a loss. Generally, losing in trials just feels incredibly unfun. It can still be fun, but losing matches where it still felt fun in spite of that has been a very rare experience for me. What happens is, being in a depressive state it starts to get very compelling to try and chase that manic feeling that you get when winning, but most times you aren't going to get that before getting walled off by losses. It is, plain and simple, an addictive spiral, in which you cannot choose when and where you get your "fix," so to speak. It can be handled in a healthy way, but from my personal experience generally that is significantly more difficult to do for someone who is in a mentally unhealthy state.
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[quote]I have all that + paranoid schizophrenic... I played trials ... What you just did, speak on behalf of others you clearly have limited knowledge on, is kinda why you replied to OP......[/quote] That's how this conversation started, in case you've forgotten. You came here to tell me that I was speaking on a subject in which I have limited knowledge, which, sure, but you came here to tell me that I was wrong to do so. How else am I supposed to read that? Maybe trials could help them. Sure, go ahead, whatever. I'll accept that, but how do you account for the fact that OP has specifically gone out of their way to say they think it's not worth the stress? That's not on me to say, or you, it's on OP. [b]You are the one who came here to speak for other people. I was just answering their question.[/b]
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No... No I didn't. I spoke for myself. This game helped me a lot, especially Trials. Because I am a unique individual, just like the OP. I pointed out that, you pointed out, ( lol ) that OP talks about something they have little to no experience on. It's cool though.. Like I can't stress this enough.. I was never arguing. And I honestly thought this reply, would be the reply after I asked you to argue!!! I didn't actually think you would present an argument. Ah well. Perhaps next time.. We can have a conversation.
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Edited by Dredgen Truth: 1/15/2024 5:43:48 AMMaybe I misread your intentions when you started speaking, and if so I will gladly apologize for that. I usually don't openly divulge this, but I am on the autism spectrum and it can be difficult sometimes for me to clearly interpret peoples intentions. I've gotten significantly better about it in person, but over the internet, and especially through text, there's no facial expressions or tone of voice in which to judge. However, I will still stand by a good majority of what I've said. I can only imagine that the cases in which trials will help (rather than harm) mental health are few and far between.
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Well, I'm replying to tell you how much I appreciate this post. This would be the start a conversation I would very much enjoy. As such, I also know I can't even begin it, without going into great detail. Context is important. This place keeps us on edge, so there is no need to apologize. I understand completely. I had a semi long post typed out, but it's late and I realized I just wanted to thank you and I do look forward to having conversations with ya.. Sincerely...
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Presuming that you're being honest about your intentions, which is sometimes difficult for me as I do have lingering trust issues from my struggle with depression, I was absolutely in the wrong here for letting myself get swept up in the anger that these forums are very good at inducing. And I absolutely would be interested in hearing your experience whenever you're willing to share it. For as much as it may sound untrue considering the discussion leading up to this I do try to keep an open mind and being made aware of a case which would seem off to me would help to expand my worldview, which would be much appreciated.
