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publicado originalmente em:Sapphire
7/11/2013 8:58:40 PM
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Oh, but it is. Technically, there is no proof, therefore it takes faith to believe. Therefore, by definition, it is a religion.
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... No, it's a default negative. There is plenty of evidence against what religion says, but you can't have any solid evidence against the possibility of existence for a deity. You can't prove a negative.
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Editado por Elrond Hubbard: 7/27/2013 4:19:48 PMGods, by their very nature, are impossible to prove, but are also created in such a way that makes them impossible to [i]disprove[/i]--as in, any scientific 'proof' of a god's nonexistence can just be handwaved with the excuse that said god transcends reality. Atheism, if viewed a certain way, is the [i]rejection[/i] of religion. It does not believe in the supernatural, there are no holy places. It does not have sacraments. There are no sacred texts, because as much as some atheists may worship Dawkins' [i]The God Delusion[/i], sanctity does not exist in atheism. The closest atheists get to belonging to a religion is sharing the title of being atheists.
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Read my response to Ryan for an explanation of my logic.
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Editado por Elrond Hubbard: 7/27/2013 4:42:46 PM-snip- Moved it down below so it's less confusing.
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You're stupid. That isn't what atheism or religion is. If "faith" alone, as your post seems to imply, is what defines religion, then simply believing that you are going to win the lottery is a religion. That is -blam!-ing retarded.
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Allow me to elaborate: Religion is a system of beliefs about God, gods, or lack thereof, along with the origin of the universe. To believe something is to have faith in something that cannot be proven. Now, Evolutionism(which, while not the whole of atheism, is still the primary atheist belief system), consists of beliefs in an absence of any and all gods and the origin of the universe(Big Bang) and all life in it(evolution). It cannot be, or at the very least has not yet been, definitively proven. Thus, to believe it in its entirety takes faith. Thus, it is, logically, a religion.
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Evolution is a fact you f.ucking ignoramus.
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I thank you, my good sir, for making me laugh. Most of the arguments I've seen so far are more than valid, but just saying that "Evolution is a fact"? You can't prove it! Show me a transitional monkey-man, then! We've seen microevolution, but show me one legitimate example of macroevolution, genius. Granted, I can't prove to you that God is real, but you can't prove macroevolution either.
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Evolution is a fact. Plain and simple. Natural selection is the theory which supports the fact. Saying 'well you can't prove either definitely' does not give a deity and evolution equal credence as ideas. No scientific and rational minded individual would chose a very unfounded hypothesis over a developed theory.
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Then show me an example of macroevolution. Truth be told, I don't care about whether or not there's proof, I'm willing to accept that you believe it. But you're always going around saying that it's irrefutable fact, well, then show me legitimate proof of macroevolution.
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I don't need to. It's not my job to educate you. If you want evidence, look it up yourself because I'm really too tired to prove to you why rationalism and logic is superior to fantasy.
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Microevolution is somewhat proven. Macroevolution to me requires more faith than Christianity.
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Editado por Ryan: 7/27/2013 4:38:25 PMIgnoring your ignorance of science, you're wrong since being atheistic does not imply that you believe in evolution or any scientific theory for that matter. All atheism requires is a lack of belief in any deities. That doesn't necessitate any "system of beliefs" Hell, I'll go even further and say that theism alone, isn't enough to constitute a religion. Sure, you believe that a God exists and he interacts with our world (assuming that theism is deifned to be that belief that at least one God exists that interacts with our world in some way), that still isn't enough for a religion.
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It is by definition not accepting something for which there is no evidence for. Which means there isn't any faith involved.
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Can you prove that there is no god?
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Editado por Elrond Hubbard: 7/27/2013 5:42:50 PMGods cannot be proven, thanks to the excuse that they somehow transcend reality. Even if they truly do not exist, believers can always use that response in the face of all logic and evidence. By your reasoning, atheism is a religion, because faith is belief without proof, and the mechanisms of gods do not allow for proof against them. You've orchestrated a convenient situation that allows you to set impossible-to-meet conditions for your argument's undoing. EDIT: Besides, you're making the claim that God exists. The burden of proof is on you to prove it, not for us to disprove it.
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No. But I have no concrete reason to believe that any of them exist. Most of the religious texts themselves provide reasonable doubt for the existance of their deities.
