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Editado por Wraith:
9/15/2020 6:14:23 PM
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You’d literally be putting the matchmaking the exact same as it was last season. Just control and classic mix would change places. It would be a lag fest all over again and there would be no where to go to find a Normal mach ( low population cbmm with lots of lag and long q times because players would hide in sbmm) and sbmm would become a lag fest with also long q times for the higher tier players. The same problems would arise and the game would suck again. No thanks. Just play against everyone like it should be. Stop trying to get protected all the time. It makes you look like a glass cannon.
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How would people playing in classic as sb effecr you in qp which is cb. Oh thats right you'd lose your easy kills. You really can't use sb as a excuse for player safety when you got good under sb.
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Lol I play comp dumb dumb. You know where sbmm is present.... 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ so don’t give me that “oh you just want easy kills” no I just want a smooth flowing game. My comp elo is higher than my control elo meaning it really doesn’t make a difference who I’m up against I’ll still mop. The reason sbmm works in 3v3 and not 6v6 is because just that it’s literally half the players meaning les lag and shorter q times. Put that sbmm BS in 6v6 and the game quality goes down the drain. Grow up play with everyone it’s how it should be anyways.
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Then you lose nothing by having gp as cb and classic as sb. Ya had cb with classic and still didnt play it but now since its in qp all ya wanna do is force it on everyone else. Simply falls down to giving everyone an enjoyable gaming experience not just a few.
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Editado por Wraith: 9/17/2020 2:14:12 AMDude I did play classic mix all the time. But literally no one played it but the sweats because all the scrubs like you all avoided it so you wouldn’t have to play against good players. The population was extremely low So it basically was the exact same in both playlists. Once I had a match in classic mix that consisted of a player from China, australia, Japan, Italy, check republic, and the USA, not a single player was even from the same country as me ( Canada ) Literally at the top 1% level games would take 20 plus minutes to find a match then when you get into said match it would be nothing but lag. Players from all over the world would all be in the same lobby because they don’t have dedicated servers and region locking making it extremely laggy to the point the game became almost unplayable. Shots would all register late, damage glitch would happen almost every gun fight, shots consistently going through walls, players skipping all over the map ext... now I’m okay with a little lag here and there but it got disgusting. 6v6 just isn’t the place for sbmm. 3v3 sure because the lobby is cut in half and the game can still run smoothly. If you’re that desperate for the protection of sbmm play comp or elimination where it belongs end of story end of conversation. Deal with it, this is the way it must be. Otherwise the whole top player population will just find a different game that’s not as laggy and the cycle will repeat until no ones left.
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So yet again ya want the game catered to ya and everybody else can just deal with the crap. Why should other players have to go play competitive to enjoy the game. If cbmm is so loved by players the having 1 6v6 as sb wont affect other players.
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Editado por Wraith: 9/18/2020 4:17:15 PMYes it will did you not read what I posted? 🤦♂️ this conversation is going no where because you don’t understand the difference between a game being literally unplayable for top players under sbmm and people saying it is figuratively unplayable under cbmm because they’re upset they have to fight good players from time to time.
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Currently for less skilled players the game is unplayable you are correct. There's no reason there cant be a sb 6v6 you just dont wanna except cb isnt as well liked as ya want. It simply falls down to the fact that cb benefits the higher skilled and shits on the rest. Nobody 's askn for cb to leave they just want somewhere they can have fun too.
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How is it unplayable I ask? Can you get in a lobby in under 5mins? Yes easily. Can you get into a lobby with minimal lag? Yes easily. Let’s see here you can find a match with a good connection and play literally anyone at all skill levels. Sounds like they can play just fine to me. Not my fault you scrubs can’t or just won’t improve. Instead of putting a little effort into your game you’d rather just complain and ask to get training wheels 😂😂 you guys are toddlers.
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So instead of everyone being happy and enjoying the game your argument is git gud or dont play. Bravo its players like you that are killing the game for new players. It makes since tho you reached the top and wanna stay there what better way then to never face people of equal skill then with cb. Ya run your mouths how sb was safe space for lower skilled well cb is yours. No wonder destiny doesn't have a esports team if this is the so called high skilled player mentality.
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Dude if you look at my elos I’m ranked higher in comp, you know where sbmm exists still..... somehow people forget that???? I play comp just as much as control if not more I’ve hit legend something like 10 times now I do 5500 recovery’s and I do 5500 carries. To me it doesn’t matter who I match I usually still top frag in pretty much every lobby no matter the matchmaking. The reason no good players want sbmm in 6v6 is because the game can’t handle it there. Seriously just put yourself in my shoes for a second. Under sbmm I’m ranked in the top 1% right so when I play my player pool is literally just that 1% of the player population. 1% of what 300k pvp players a day that’s only 3000 players in my bracket. Now when I q up for a game those 3000 players may be spread out through the day some may be in matches ext... so we’re looking at a player pool of about 500-1000 now how many of those guys are going to be from my country? Maybe 1 or 2. Just think about all that for a second. My q times last season were consistently around 20mins just to find a quick play match, then when the game would begin it was nothing but bad connections and lag because literally the game was pulling players from all over the world so it could actually find us a match with players all in the top 1%. If I have to go back to waiting 20 mins for a quick play match just for it to be unplayable, I’ll just quit the game and find a different game that’s actually playable at the top level. So will basically all the top players. You know the guys that actually put in the majority of the play time and hours. Game would die so fast it’s ridiculous. What really pisses me of is kids like you saying the game is unplayable because you suck so bad you can’t get a kill. No the games not unplayable you just suck so bad you think it is. We’re dealing with a cry baby saying it’s unplayable when it’s actually the best quality I’ve seen for a long time. The game is running smoother than I’ve ever seen it before. You people make me sick.
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I love how people exaggerate there queue times, if it did take 20min youd be kicked to orbit for inactivity long before then. Getting pretty cranky just cause people would like a choice of playing cb or sb without having to always play comp. Nobody said remove cb but aint no reason there cant be a 6v6 sb. So as far from what see you dont want that to happen cause youve developed a superiorty complex. Ya complained sb was a safe space for lower skilled but cb is high skilled players safe space since chance of playing at your level is small. Bravo with the whole bragging about yourself it was funny.
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You’re going to get no where in life asking for hand outs. Good luck with getting your baby land back scrub.
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Yet here you are with cb where chances of facin people on your level is small. Lol calln names bravo enjoy your safe space since clearly you couldn't handle it at the top.
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[quote]It would be a lag fest all over again and there would be no where to go to find a Normal mach ( low population cbmm with lots of lag and long q times because players would hide in sbmm)[/quote] If the majority of players don't want to play CBMM, then why should they be punished to make the minority happy?
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The real question is... Why should the majority of players (everyone except Bottom-Tier) experience crazy lag and long que times just because a minority (Bottom-Tier players) refuse to improve?
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[quote]Why should the majority of players (everyone except Bottom-Tier) experience crazy lag and long que times just because a minority (Bottom-Tier players) refuse to improve?[/quote] If the "majority" of the players experience "crazy lag" using SBMM and don't like it, then they would choose CBMM. Essentially, if there was a true choice between modes, then the majority would gravitate to what they like best, and connection quality and queue times would be good in that mode [b]for the players that choose it[/b]. The minority who choose the other mode will likely have problems, but they are the minority.
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If classic goes sb it's not gonna affect you in quickplay which is cb. You just dont wanna lose your easy time since you realize not everyone likes cb.
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Actually it would. Right now under CBMM, sweats are diluted because the general pool of players consists of the whole tier-spectrum (from bottom-tier to top-tier). That means it's uncommon for both sweats and Bottom-Tier players to match up against other sweats. With SBMM, you're practically segregating The Below-Average and Bottom-Tier groups from the rest, resulting in a higher concentration of average players and sweats in games of average players and sweats (which represent a higher % of the total population). Regardless, if you're skilled at something there should always exist a place or setting where you can use that skill-differential. Under SBMM. no such thing exists.
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Im sorry but if the "bottom tier" as you call it is so few then them having classic mix as sb wont effect you and you'll still play against mostly same people. It falls down to the fact most lower skilled players are forced into matches against people way out there league and suffering constant losses. How is a new player gonna decide to play this game and stay with it if there constantly suffering loss after loss. There's no reason not to let everyone have an enjoyable experience when there are easy fixs. I see it for the truth higher tier players are happy cause instead of facing each other they get to rough shot over lesser skilled players and there fine with that and its a joke. See people got to the top under sb but now that your there you dont wanna lose it so what better way then shoving everyone together so you possible never face people of equal skill.
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[quote]Im sorry but if the "bottom tier" as you call it is so few then them having classic mix as sb wont effect you and you'll still play against mostly same people.[/quote] I didn't claim they were "so few", I claimed their % contribution to total population is less than the combined % contribution of Average and Above Average players. A change that benefits a minority at the expense of a majority should never be implemented. [quote]I see it for the truth higher tier players are happy cause instead of facing each other they get to rough shot over lesser skilled players and there fine with that and its a joke. See people got to the top under sb but now that your there you dont wanna lose it so what better way then shoving everyone together so you possible never face people of equal skill.[/quote] Not really. There's nothing of statistical value to get from in 6v6. When sweaty players resort to a metric to estimate relative skill, they generally use Trials or Survival KD, which are both SBMM. There's no place to fall from in 6v6 because there's nothing to achieve there, which is consistent with the concept of a "Casual" gamemode.
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Yes and for some players sb was casual for them and now its the opposite.
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How is it casual? Playing vs people on your skill = Competitive Not playing vs people on your skill = Casual
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Maybe for you its casual but for others its not, and im sorry but unless you know the actual percentage of where players lie on the scale you cant really assume average players players make up most the population. So again theres no reason to not have a sb 6v6 except for the simple fact most who like sb will go there and ya 'supposed" better players dont want that to happen. Your not worried about a split your worried about loosen your easy matches.
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Editado por Eucadia: 9/17/2020 4:30:23 PM[quote]Maybe for you its casual but for others its not[/quote] That doesn't make sense. You guys are complaining about being at a competitive disadavantage with CBMM and want to restore SBMM in order to regain "competitive fairness". The real transition (with SBMM) for Bottom-Tiers is going from getting their ass kicked to a competitive environment, which is by definition not casual. [quote]and im sorry but unless you know the actual percentage of where players lie on the scale you cant really assume average players players make up most the population.[/quote] That's not how statistics work. The average % will always be higher than top or bottom %'s by definition.
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Yet again you dont know players fall on in skill so you assume average players make up the most players but you dont know what determines an average player. It still doesn't matter since ya say sb community is small it wont effect you in cb at all. It simply falls down to better players not wanting to lose there easy games.
