Shotguns are absurdly imbalanced and have made this sandbox the worst one to play in ever. And there needs to be a serious negative consequence to sliding. Sliding shot-gunners have ruined this game mode.

[quote]anyone who says shotguns are busted,have clearly never used one. You need to break the ground to get to that optimal kill range. And once the ground is broken your shotgun is either a sniper rifle and beams a kid or does 3 damage. Using one is almost like a russian roulette. So if you disagree, chat in the comments be respectful pls.[/quote] Defending shotguns.... I would expect nothing less from a fake Unbroken.

Only shotgun scrubs defend shotguns. Nothing about them requires skill. Shotguns should require at least half the pellets to hit the head to get a kill in my opinion to make them even close to balanced. And they should never roll with quickdraw or snapshot. Bungie adjusted backup plan on fusions...they should adjust quickdraw and snapshot on shotguns...like lessen the range by 50% if you have either perk.

Nerf snipers they're busted. you shouldn't be able to shoot through flinch nor should my scope be placed back on target. The fact that snipers kills and usage has beaten out every special weapon since season 7. Snipers have stupidly large hit boxes and perks like quick draw, snapshots, opening shot and moving target make them even easier to use. Don't forget enhanced perks pushing some snipers to 100 aim assist. Revoker is a huge crutch as is beloved and its near impossible to miss shots with them. aim assist, bullet magentism, no flinch, low zoom scopes is a nightmare. people claim they require skill pgtfoh

"BuT buT sHoTgUnS aNd BasTiOn aRe Op, i SuCk At The gAmE aND dOnT kNoW ThaT i CaN BacK peDaL ANd sHoT aT THe saME TiMe"

I mean, shotguns have a pretty low skill floor. But the difference between a top tier shotgunner and your everyday shotgun warrior is insane. The skill gap on them is huge. Anyone who disagrees just hasn't experienced it. I remember when Forsaken launched I went to get NF the first season it was available. I made my way to Mythic with a 1.5 K/D overall. My shotgun game was fairly good. (That was DRB and Luna's meta.) and then my very first match in Mythic was against zkMushroom and his team. To this day, I have never been more humbled in a video game in my life. I straight up got smacked. Bullied. Ran over. Everything. Why? Because their shotgun game was so much better than anyone I had faced at that point. They countered anytime I pushed, teamshot with primaries and kept pressure with shotties, moved at the right time to avoid shotguns, everything. Their timing and movement was pretty perfect. I then spent the next several months in comp getting obliterated by players that were just better than me. I ended my grind with like a 1.2 and NF, and then stopped caring after that. Couldn't care less about my stats now. Best my team did against zkMushroom and his team was like 64-75 in clash. I got a little off topic, but yeah. Skill gap on shotguns is huge. Nerfing their range or lethality even one more time would be overkill and uncalled for. Maybe the argument could be made that max range shotties should have to have low handling so quickdraw or snapshot shouldn't be available on them? Maybe. I could see that. But any range or damage nerf is just unnecessary.

Smg's Slug Shotgun ( Chaperone ❤❤) The Last Word Sidearms can be good counters against shotguns Its just a question of how you handle with your loadout and your subclass.

Haha, Shotguns = Crutch. Sorry to burst your bubble, I for one have at the very least 2 shotgun kills (maybe 5 total) in PVP. I see at least 3-4 shotty scrubs on the enemy team 80% of my games. But I just laugh in "Smugglers" 🤣 feel free to stat check me.

Next time you take your real life shotgun out for a lil BLAM BLAM fun...run and butt slide before you pull the trigger. Please have a buddy film it and upload it for the rest of us. Thats my only shotty pvp complaint. Carry on guardians!

The only people that defend shotguns are the people who get 10+ kills with shotguns and 2 primary kills a game..

you claim shotguns take skill? You just made my day you troll. Lol. XD

Most of the maps cater for short range engagements. If we had bigger maps you wouldn't see so many shotties. Not that I use them much and I don't think they're overpowered. Annoying yes but you can counter them. I push a blind corner and am blasted by a shotty on a small map. That's on me