1. What is the deep?
2. Does oryx have the power of the deep?
3. Is Mara now ruler of the taken if she took oryxes throne?
4. Are the hive we see and oryx/ Crota a different species?
5. Why was Nokris purposely erased from history?
6. Why can't the vex go back in time and take over earth before the traveler got there stopping the golden age early? Or something along the lines of them traveling back and stopping anything they want
7. Is the traveler just self repairing at the state it's at?
8. Can the traveler send another ghost to bring back anyone who has permanently died?(cayde Etc)
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maegatron:3 - 4/15/2026 5:07:27 AM
[quote]1. What is the deep? The darkness 2. Does oryx have the power of the deep? He did. 3. Is Mara now ruler of the taken if she took oryxes throne? She doesn’t have Oryx a Throne currently 4. Are the hive we see and oryx/ Crota a different species? They are the same just they were Hive gods. Could cause them to look different. 5. Why was Nokris purposely erased from history? He went against Oryx a word and Oryx leads the hive. 6. Why can't the vex go back in time and take over earth before the traveler got there stopping the golden age early? Or something along the lines of them traveling back and stopping anything they want? Most likely because they need us. We saved the vault of glass from the Taken and other threats perhaps. 7. Is the traveler just self repairing at the state it's at? I don’t think it can. I remember hearing someone say that it used among the last of its light to defeat Ghaul and save us. 8. Can the traveler send another ghost to bring back anyone who has permanently died? No. The ghosts were made in one instant at once, not over time. (cayde Etc)[/quote] -
3 Respostas[quote]1. What is the deep? 2. Does oryx have the power of the deep? 3. Is Mara now ruler of the taken if she took oryxes throne? 4. Are the hive we see and oryx/ Crota a different species? 5. Why was Nokris purposely erased from history? 6. Why can't the vex go back in time and take over earth before the traveler got there stopping the golden age early? Or something along the lines of them traveling back and stopping anything they want 7. Is the traveler just self repairing at the state it's at? 8. Can the traveler send another ghost to bring back anyone who has permanently died?(cayde Etc)[/quote] Alright let’s make this relatively quick, because I see errors below. 1) The Deep is the Darkness. 2) Yes, he was it’s champion at the time of his death. It’s why it spoke to him personally. 3) No, as it’s implied to operation went wrong somewhat. The aim was only to take Oryx’s power in order to allow Mara to take a seat at the cosmic chessboard on our behalf, but the throne itself is occupied by the Witch-Queen Savathûn. 4) The Hive all originate from the same species, but time apart has caused them to evolve differently. As well as this, Titan makes it clear that Savathûn has been experimenting with both the Hive and their Worms. 5) Nokris went behind Oryx’s back and gained Necromancy from Xol. Considering the Sword Logic, he was branded a heretic and every trace of him except a statue on the Dreadnaught was erased. 6) It’s implied the Vex cannot truly time travel, or that they cannot disrupt current events. Not only this, their primary goal is to become indistinguishable from the laws of reality, not destroying the city. 7) Well it is awake now, we don’t know how much energy it spent destroying Ghaul. But seeing as the Darkness is coming and the Travelers vision shows the pyramid ships I would hazard to say its waiting. 8) No. It is suggested that every ghost has one guardian that they are fated to have. The exception to this would be Jaren Ward’s ghost with Shin Malphur, but Shin Malphur was also resurrected as a child by a ghost and the ghost was destroyed not long after.
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Editado por Mandalorian16_1: 2/22/2019 2:55:34 PM1. The deep is, in the least, the antithesis to the light. It is a cosmic power that rivals the light, it is (as I've been lead to believe) more powerful than the light, and has more servants than just the Hive (to contrast the light which we are the only know servants of.) 2. Yes, a small tast of it no doubt. 3. No, most certainly not, we (the guardian) would be the ones to get that power, we (the guardian) killed Oryx, Mara didn't and thus has no right to that power. 4. Yes, and no. They difference is more akin that between subspecies, the Hive are divided into broods, and each of the Hive gods (Oryx, Savathun, Xivu arath) have their own brood, the ones we see on Titan belong to Savathun. 5. He was Oryx's weaker son, who studied forbidden texts (or something like that) and necromancy, (to my knowledge) that didn't make Oryx happy, so nocris was banished. 6. They can, but they can't affect this specific time line, the Stranger is from a different timeline, in which the Vex did exactly that. 7. I don't know, we haven't seen a difference in it's outward appearance that would suggest so, but it might just be working on the inside. 8. I believe so, although we have nothing that would confirm such possiblities.
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Nokris was erased from history by oryx because he was a necromancer which goes against the hive’s sword-logic (survival of the fittest) philosophy. The Deep is what the hive call the darkness. The sky is what they call the light. Oryx can take, which is essentially the power of the deep. Mara sov is not the current leader of the taken, savuthan (and possibly xivu arath) are.
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3 RespostasEditado por Rosenburg: 2/22/2019 4:27:50 AM1: It is the general name for all who fight against the Light. Some say it’s a Paracasual entity (a overpowered entity). 2: He killed one the Worm Gods of the Deep that he was worshipping named Yor. He made tablets out of its body giving him the power to create taken. 3: I don’t think so, but she does have her own Throne World that was willed into existence by Riven. 4: There are three broods, Xivu Arath, Savathûn , and Oryx. I think Oryx’s Brood died off or went into hiding, but all of the Dreaming City Hive are Xivu and Savathûn’s. 5: Hive consider death sacred and he dabbled in resurrection so the Hive labeled him a heritic. Afterwards Xol asked him what he wanted and he said Mars. 6: They can simulate to figure out what to do but they cannot simulate Light so they pretty lost here. They cannot Time travel but they can cross dimensions and realities. 7. Yes, it has given us visions, Trees on Io and Ikora has reported them too. 8: I think not but I do think the Ghosts can choose a new living owner.
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1 Responder<The Vex can time travel but they can't change anything outside of the future.>
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Editado por superskybro: 2/22/2019 2:30:33 AM[quote]1. What is the deep? 2. Does oryx have the power of the deep? 3. Is Mara now ruler of the taken if she took oryxes throne? 4. Are the hive we see and oryx/ Crota a different species? 5. Why was Nokris purposely erased from history? 6. Why can't the vex go back in time and take over earth before the traveler got there stopping the golden age early? Or something along the lines of them traveling back and stopping anything they want 7. Is the traveler just self repairing at the state it's at? 8. Can the traveler send another ghost to bring back anyone who has permanently died?(cayde Etc)[/quote] 1. The Deep is what the Hive call the darkness 2. he has power given to him by the Deep (the ability to take) 3. No, that's not Oryx's throne (she wished for her throne using Riven) 4. No, just different broods. Broods evolve differently, both biologically and culturally 5. Because he defyed the sword logic by learning necromancy, that's like coming out as gay to your super religious father 6. They actually haven't learned time travel, they have learned to hop timelines though so watch out 7. We don't know, for all we know this is the travelers new look forever and it can't heal itself 8. Potentially? Although we don't exactly know the Travelers intelligence level nor do we know how Ghost bonding works. It remains a mystery
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15 RespostasEditado por Grays_KS27: 2/21/2019 4:44:45 PM[quote]1. What is the deep?[/quote] The Darkness, antithesis to the Light. Lore has been very vague on what exactly it is. It might not have a physical form, like the Traveler, or it might be the Triangle ships, or whatever. It’s goal is to kill everything. [quote]2. Does oryx have the power of the deep?[/quote] Yes. The Deep taught him to Take [quote]3. Is Mara now ruler of the taken if she took oryxes throne?[/quote] No. She tried taking Oryx’s power but failed. And we don’t know the specific standards for being able to control Taken. Only Oryx could Take. If he gave someone a Taken, the Taken would obey them (he gave Savathûn Taken Quria, and it obeyed her) [quote]4. Are the hive we see and oryx/ Crota a different species? [/quote] They are the same species. All Hive. They breed quickly, so some broods can become different when kept apart for long times. Evolution. Ascendant Hive like Crota and Oryx have paracausal powers and can change their form. Oryx grew wings because he felt like it. Seriously. [quote]5. Why was Nokris purposely erased from history?[/quote] Nokris studies necromancy. This defies the sword logic, which states that anything killed is not worthy to live. Because of his heresy, he was removed from the Hive history. [quote]6. Why can't the vex go back in time and take over earth before the traveler got there stopping the golden age early? Or something along the lines of them traveling back and stopping anything they want[/quote] Wether or not the Vex can time-travel seems to be under debate, so I won’t talk about that. Maybe I missed some more recent lore. But the Vex are trying to come out on top in [b]every[/b] timeline. That’s literally infinite. They want to create outcomes to where they will always be above all else. How could they just focus on one measly reality like ours? They are testing everything to find the right equations. [quote]7. Is the traveler just self repairing at the state it's at?[/quote] It was self repairing in D1, after we stopped a Hive ritual, returned it’s shard, and killed the Black Heart. Now that it’s awake, we don’t know what it’s doing. [quote]8. Can the traveler send another ghost to bring back anyone who has permanently died?(cayde Etc)[/quote] The Traveler doesn’t make new Ghosts. We don’t know the specifics on how Ghosts and the making of Guardians works. Ghosts can make anyone with Light a Guardian (this was proved in Cayde’s Stash and Ghost Stories), and a Ghost whose Guardian permanently died can make a new Guardian (Shin Malfur). A Guardian permanently dying involves specific situations like having their Light drained or being stuck in a Vex time loop. But we don’t know if Ghosts can heal other Guardians, or if they can become the Ghost for a Guardian whose Ghost died/was separated from them, or if a Ghost with a Guardian can make another Guardian. I don’t know if Cayde was permanently killed. His Ghost is dead. He might still be revivable, if that’s how it works.
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1. Basically the Darkness, while the light is referred to sometimes as Sky (according to some Dreaming City stuff) 2. Yes Oryx used that power to create the Taken 3. No Mara did not kill Oryx, and since we didn't step up to take it, Savathun has taken the throne 4. Nope, same Hive 5. Because the Hive believed disapproved of his necromancy, considering that they're belief is that anything that fades from existence entirely should be gone forever 6. Not entirely sure but there is most likely a limit on the time traveling 7. Uknown really, but it could be possible 8. Nope
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Crota is oryx son so same species Vex time travel is not 100%defined does mention vex time gates during house of wolves mission in d1 when you capture skolas but this isn't completely confirmed Can not revive guardian after ghost is destroyed Mara did not kill oryx I did Traveler is awake and who knows what it's doing
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6: The Vex infinite simulator is a faulty product Running on Windows Vista No extended warranty cover!
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The Deep is the Darkness Oryx wields the Darkness through his ability to Take Savathun and Xivu Arath are fighting for control of the Taken Crota and Oryx are Ascendant Hive, but still the same species Oryx took Nokris out of the World's Grave because he rejected the Sword Logic and became a necromancer The Vex may not have done that because Humanity surviving may eventually be a part of their ultimate plan I don't know The Traveler can not make anymore Ghosts.
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1. If Darkness was a beach, the Deep would be the Abyss of the ocean. 2. Oryx took the Secrets of the Deep, and wrote them in his diary. 3. No? The Guardian defeated Oryx and didn't take his throne, so it was vacant until his sister Savathun took it. Mara wanted to gain the spoils of breaking into Oryx's bank, but when she "died" the Techeuns fled to the Dreaming City. When they did, Oryx followed and made a mess of everything. Getting his muddy boot prints on Mara's Throne instead and taking Riven, however Riven was more cunning. 4. No, Ascendant Hive are Gods compared to regular Hive. Immortality can do that, but ultimately they're the same species. 5. Because he was a rebellious punk and Oryx didn't approve. 6. Because Time is linear in a single Worldline. Vex cannot go back in time and change the present. They can only predict the future and adjust the present accordingly. Predictions aren't always accurate, which is why the Infinite Forest exists as a probability generator holding an infinite amount of potential futures. 7. The Traveler is awake. If it self repaired that would mean all it's pieces would need to return. Including the Ghosts. It was dormant before, but Guardians helped charge it back to life. Think of how the Blind Well works. 8. No, if a Guardian dies permanently that means their spark is gone. Meaning Ghosts have nothing to draw on to rez them. Not everyone that dies has a spark strong enough to be drawn on by a Ghost too.
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6 RespostasI will try to answer these questions in order as best I can. [quote]1. What is the deep?[/quote] The hive name for the darkness. [quote]2. Does oryx have the power of the deep?[/quote] Well no, he killed the strongest and largest worm god (hive super-god), Akka, which allowed him to contact “the deep” and learn how to take. [quote]3. Is Mara now ruler of the taken if she took oryxes throne?[/quote] She never took oryx’s throne, according to toland we should’ve done so at the end of Kings fall. [quote]4. Are the hive we see and oryx/ Crota a different species?[/quote] No, think the different nationalities of humanity, and apply it to the hive. [quote]5. Why was Nokris purposely erased from history?[/quote] The hive believe in something called the sword logic which says the universe should be kept sharp like a sword through killing by the strongest beings. Basically forced survival of the fittest. Nokris defied this by becoming a necromaner, something very heretical within the hive. [quote]6. Why can't the vex go back in time and take over earth before the traveler got there stopping the golden age early? Or something along the lines of them traveling back and stopping anything they want[/quote] Because the vex can’t time travel. They can simulate different time periods though. [quote]7. Is the traveler just self repairing at the state it's at?[/quote] Sort of, we don’t know completely. [quote]8. Can the traveler send another ghost to bring back anyone who has permanently died?(cayde Etc)[/quote] Nope, but a ghost who’s guardian dies in a situation the ghost cannot resurrect them from (light is drained from guardian, guardian dies trapped in a vex time loop, etc.), the ghost can find a new guardian, this is based only on the situation with shin malfur. Hopefully this answered your questions. I didn’t go off of any theories, because they might be wrong, and I used all the knowledge I had about all this.
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1 Responder1. The Deep is the exact opposite of the Light/Traveler. 2. Yes, he had (we killed him in D1) 3.She couldn't take Oryx's Throne World. At the time she got there, his Throne World was already crumbling and she barely escaped. 4. Its the same species (maybe with a difference here and there - the Hive breed a lot). 5. Nokris performed necromancy, which is against the Sword Logic. (FYI, the Sword Logic is similar to the Darwinism, but more hardcore) 6. The Vex can't time travel, that I know for sure, but I can't honestly say how they manage to bring to the present Vexes from different timelines (maybe it's all a simulation?) 7. Yes. We "freed" his shard and destroyed the Heart of the Black Garden on D1 original campaign, which started the healing process of the Traveler 8. We can't say for sure. We have never actually saw something like that happen, so we presume that it's not possible.