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8/27/2018 12:34:24 PM
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Not going to happen. Bungie refuses to do anything about this form of cheating.
Matter of fact the way PVP, MM, & the rewards are set up are to encourage it.
Bungies drive is to force you over to the streamers to sit in there stream & wait for a chance to play with out being curb stomped.
I don’t know what kinda back door deal they have but it needs to end & everyone that paid to get the claymore needs to have it removed from there accounts. The gun put back in in season 4 where people can have a fair chance at working there way to it.
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[quote] everyone that paid to get the claymore needs to have it removed from there accounts[/quote] Prove they paid.
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Just go to any you twitch stream buddy & watch them take the payment recover the account & play on it. I mean are you living under a rock? It’s not that hard for Bungie to see 50+ accounts logging in from the same IP & going from from next to nothing to 2000+ glory in a day. I was looking through some streams last night. They was openly talking about it talking just 14 hours to get a claymore for a account. You can go anywhere & find listings for people selling access to the gun. With the comp playlist filled with nothing but recoveries it makes almost impossible for fair players (those not paying a 3.0+ to play for them) to even play.
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[quote]Just go to any you twitch stream buddy & watch them take the payment recover the account & play on it.[/quote] I have been to many streams, I dont frequent the small streams so no, I have not seen anyone paid to do it. [quote]I mean are you living under a rock? It’s not that hard for Bungie to see 50+ accounts logging in from the same IP & going from from next to nothing to 2000+ glory in a day.[/quote] Does not show payment, nor would it prove recovery. Many universities would show 50+ users from same ip [quote]You can go anywhere & find listings for people selling access to the gun.[/quote] True, I can also find paid raids, Vanguard ranks, etc. But those do not show which players paid for them.
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[quote]I have been to many streams, I dont frequent the small streams so no, I have not seen anyone paid to do it.[/quote] Then 1 you are blind. 2. You have not see 1 streamer take a “donation” to get someone something. Just because they call it by a different name does not change the fact of what it is. Person A paid (via a “donation”) to have person B get them a claymore for them. Not help them “play for them”. Turned the game into play to win. [quote]Does not show payment, nor would it prove recovery. Many universities would show 50+ users from same ip[/quote] You have any idea in networking or even how this works? Not only does it track IP but MAC (specific to each device), serial # of console, if PC the key issued when the game was purchased. IPv6 has even made tracking within subnetworks possible. So yes Bungie is entirely capable of seeing who is doing such activities. [quote]True, I can also find paid raids, Vanguard ranks, etc. But those do not show which players paid for them.[/quote] But it can. Bungie can pose as a a potential customer. Snag the IP, Mac, serial, key, and use that to identify every person who used that service. Not only that if the people doing the selling was fearful that the next person in the list was a Bungie employee & would end up being sued (yes they can be rockstar did it with GTA) they would stop selling it. With out all the recoveries running around people would return to PVP. As they did matchmaking would improve. Games would be more fair & even. With a PVP that is not 2/3 pay to win Bungie itself would make more money vs the people that are leaching money away from Bungie right now. At this point Bungie might as well sell the claymore for X amount of silver at Tess.
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[quote]Then 1 you are blind. 2. You have not see 1 streamer take a “donation” to get someone something. Just because they call it by a different name does not change the fact of what it is. Person A paid (via a “donation”) to have person B get them a claymore for them. Not help them “play for them”. Turned the game into play to win.[/quote] The streamers I watch (the ones at top of directory) you do not get special treatment ie carries/recoveries for tips or donations. [quote]You have any idea in networking or even how this works? Not only does it track IP but MAC (specific to each device), serial # of console, if PC the key issued when the game was purchased. IPv6 has even made tracking within subnetworks possible. So yes Bungie is entirely capable of seeing who is doing such activities.[/quote] even with that data, you would need to be able to separate common area consoles. My son's school as a common area with several consoles in it. Playing on someone else's console is not against any rules, you suspect a recovery, report them, do not expect any company to constantly review login logs and review game stats for discrepancies [quote]But it can. Bungie can pose as a a potential customer. Snag the IP, Mac, serial, key, and use that to identify every person who used that service. Not only that if the people doing the selling was fearful that the next person in the list was a Bungie employee & would end up being sued (yes they can be rockstar did it with GTA) they would stop selling it.[/quote] Really? you want a company to dedicate resources for undercover stings? A company that does not pay for dedicated servers? Regardless of if it is a recovery or not, if you cant win, you cant win. I would rather face a recovery than a network manipulator. At this point I am going to disengage from this conversation as clearly your expectations of gaming companies are not inline with the real world.
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Editado por Puck6T9: 8/28/2018 5:49:38 PM[quote] The streamers I watch (the ones at top of directory) you do not get special treatment ie carries/recoveries for tips or donations.[/quote] They all do it. It’s called being a priority. You donate you get move to the top of the list. I have seen even the ones at the top of the directory do this. [quote] even with that data, you would need to be able to separate common area consoles. My son's school as a common area with several consoles in it. Playing on someone else's console is not against any rules, you suspect a recovery, report them, do not expect any company to constantly review login logs and review game stats for discrepancies[/quote] See you completely ignored the entire thing to try & justify it. Console in school? I hope your talking about a college. These people’s reactions not doing this from a school. Nor would your kid get get hit. It would be a abnormally for your kids account to jump 1600 glory in less than a day from a IP & console that he has never loged in from 1000s of miles away from where his normal activity is. Bungie don’t have to review anything. It’s a automated process. Abnormal activity gets the account flagged. It’s not rocket science but, it sounds like your more in favor of paying your kids way through the game than letting them earn it. [quote]Really? you want a company to dedicate resources for undercover stings? A company that does not pay for dedicated servers? Regardless of if it is a recovery or not, if you cant win, you cant win. I would rather face a recovery than a network manipulator. At this point I am going to disengage from this conversation as clearly your expectations of gaming companies are not inline with the real world.[/quote] This whole statement is just stupid. 1. It not like it millions in resources. 2. They would make back 3x the amount spent by players coming back & better looking reports to investors (you know more people playing) 3. If you can’t win? That’s a cop-out. Person A might have had a chance at winning had they been match with someone at there glory rank. Instead they was match with someone at rank 5 pretending to be a rank 1. 4. The network manipulators are equal to the recoveries. It’s both cheating. Ones does it one way the other by exploiting the MM system. It’s steal cheating. 5. My expectations are exactly in line with the real world. Microsoft & Sony both go after people for cheating. Blizzard takes a hard stance. COD don’t stand for it. GTA just recently took some to court & sued them for millions in lost revenue. Warframe will wipe your account & reverse trades. Hell even Cell phone games I play do a almost weekly “we busted some cheaters using 3rd party sights be warned”. Bungie seems to be the only company that shrugs there shoulders at the idea that “cheating is bad for the game” & allows it go on for going on 5 years now. Sorry man. There is just no reason to let this happen.
