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4/12/2025 6:07:07 PM
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[quote]Read the comics you make films based on Marvel.[/quote]
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Besides, we’ve had COUNTLESS MJs in media that are white and red headed, yet ZERO Romani Dooms in tv, games or movies. One bi racial MJ won’t kill you.
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To be clear, on a fundamental level, I agree that diversity is a good thing, and this change—if I’m understanding this all correctly, as I don’t watch te MCU because it sucks—is fine in principle, while removing diversity from the cast is potentially damaging. However, your argument is so horribly put together that if we hold you to your own words, then you are objectively wrong unless you start contradicting yourself. You can’t go and drop a line saying “read the comics your films are based on” in the context of having a character retain their original ethnicity, only to immediately backpedal and say it’s fine for another character because you say so. In order for your argument to work, you either need to change it’s framing so that you’re acknowledging that diversity is a major factor, or you need to apply it universally across all characters, including examples where it would lessen diversity. If source material is your biggest motive, as your original post implies, then this example should be just as bad as Dr. Doom.
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But that’s thing, this MJ isn’t Mary Jane Watson, she’s Michelle Jones who doesn’t even use the name Watson. She’s literally a different character, personality wise, appearance wise, name wise. And yeah, race swapping for brownie points is dumb, but if we get a million white red heads for MJ, one biracial MJ won’t hurt. Whereas we have NEVER gotten a Romani doom on screen. Does that make sense?
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The fact that the character was immediately brought up as a counterpoint makes me think this is more of trying to find a loophole kind of situation. Besides, if they changed MJ’s character to someone else, why aren’t they allowed to change Doom to someone else? Your argument has made sense from the beginning, but my point is it’s very poorly put together. If you apply the logic from your op, then it should be an all or nothing case. And yet the first thing you did was turn around and make an exception because you said so. I don’t actually care about the specifics, because the MCU is stupid. I’m just looking at your argument from an outside perspective. Your op is very dead set on “preserving the sanctity of the comics”, but then immediately backpedals on that for another character with a plethora of different excuses why that one’s fine. Either, your intial argument needs to be adjusted to acknowledge the fact that the source material isn’t the biggest factor, or this example of MJ should be just as awful. After all, it’s not even the same character!
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It’s less about preserving the sanctity of the comics, and including the representation of a minority that is very poorly represented in media. The majority of race swaps, their race has nothing to do with their character. There are some white characters that NEED to stay white, such as Professor X, as he’s a white, privileged man, or Magneto, a German jew, or Steve Rogers. Then there are others whose race or ethnicity isn’t important, such as Ben Urich, Norman Osborne, or Heimdall. Romani people are so poorly represented, and Doom is ACTUALLY good representation, because while he IS a villain, he’s not some stereotype. He’s not a thief, or some bandit. He was raised by a healer, his mother, who was killed for being a “witch” and he was oppressed for being Romani. He rose up despite this and became a benevolent ruler. It’s not about the skin color. It’s about so much more.
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Yes, I get that, but that's not what your op is saying. Your argument was: [quote]Read the comics you make films based on Marvel.[/quote] Hence, your argument is poorly put together. Your original argument is that Doom needs to be Romani because he was Romani in the comics, and then you backpedaled on that the second it was brought up for a different character that you didn't care about. If diversity was your reasoning, then you should've led with diversity. As it is, the argument your proposed is rife with hypocrisy and double standards, because the original argument put forth wasn't actually the argument you were trying to make.
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Editado por KingJules: 4/13/2025 7:20:30 PMYeah I’m kinda done here. As I’ve said, that’s not MJ from the comics, but you aren’t listening, so I’m done. Have a good day.
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So, when they make a change you do like it's fine, because it's not the same version of the character from the comics, but when they make a change you don't like they need to read up on the source material? Surely, you don't need me to point out the fundamental flaw in the logic here.
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Not the same character. How many times do I have to say this?? Jesus. I’m done, just stop.
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Right, of course not. And I'm sure the fact that she has the exact same name is just coincidence, and not at all meant to imply she's the same character or some sort of replacement. Getting big Batman "I didn't kill him, the lightning from my lightning glove is what killed him! Loophole!" vibes here.
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Michelle Jones, and doesn’t claim the name Watson But sure, same character…🙄
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Immediate hypocrisy isn’t a good look if you want to be taken seriously.
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[quote]Besides, we’ve had COUNTLESS MJs in media that are white and red headed, yet ZERO Romani Dooms in tv, games or movies. One bi racial MJ won’t kill you.[/quote] Thanks for confirming my suspicions that your whining wasn't really about staying true to the source material.
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Again. Countless white red headed Mary Jane Watsons. This is MICHELLE JONES WATSON who doesn’t even USE the name Watson. Completely different character. So no, not hypocritical at all.
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[quote]Besides, we’ve had COUNTLESS MJs in media that are white and red headed, yet ZERO Romani Dooms in tv, games or movies. One bi racial MJ won’t kill you.[/quote] To be fair, he wouldn’t have any standards if they weren’t double.
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Editado por KingJules: 4/13/2025 2:12:41 AMNot double standards if the character isn’t MJ from the comics but an original character who shares the same initials and last name.
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[quote]Not double standards if the character isn’t MJ from the comics but an original character who shares the same initials and last name.[/quote]
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Yes, keep tap dancing away your thoughts.
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[quote]Yes, keep tap dancing away your thoughts.[/quote] Good one
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Editado por WreckinBawl: 4/13/2025 3:59:54 PM[quote]Good one[/quote] It's cute when they get feisty. It has always reminded me of lion cubs "hunting."
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Yeah, I don’t really have much to say when you don’t listen so…🤷🏼♀️
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Completely different character, and her red hair isn’t an integral part of her character, but yeah ok hon.
