What does this entail? Is not winning fun? If you find yourself incapable of succeeding at what ever activity you choose to participate in, do you endeavor to improve? Do you seek to acquire the means for attaining your goal? What impedes you? A weapon? A class? An exotic? Your beliefs? Yourself? Fear of inadequacy? Clumsiness? Lack of direction? Contentedness/complacency? If you could effortlessly achieve your ideal state in Destiny without worry of time, responsibility, trial and error, or being perceived as a no lifer D2 player, would you remain a person that has plenty of hours played but the same level of skill? In this "no skill" game. Honest question. What does playing for fun mean to the individuals that say it? Absent of success, what motivates a person to play? Where is the fun being had? If they don't need to win or complete an activity to have fun, is it the social aspect? What about those parties that wish to play solo? That don't join a clan or participate in group activity in a multiplayer geared game? Where is it that they derive their fun from?