I say pull it and make it its own multiplayer. I won’t say remove it completely unless that’s what needs to be done if bungie refuses to separate the sandboxes like they are already doing. I would prefer that pvp is never an integral part of any game unless the game is based solely around pvp like battlefield and cod have been doing. So I’ll just leave it as remove pvp from being an integral part of he game. Make it it’s own multiplayer game mode that is completely separated from pve and the story so there is more breathing room to what can be put into the game.

I’m almost a 100% with you expect for a few very small details. Regardless, 🍻!

Tell me the details because depending on what you want we still may differ. I always modify anything I come up with so the community can have a say an be at least sort of happy. Can’t tell you how many times I have come up with something and modified it to try and make people happy. But for some reason some of the community don’t want compromise and fairness.

I think Crucible is a huge part of the story and lore. You said it shouldn’t be included in the story… I also think Crucible should be separated, but still worked on, things like Crucible Only quest, exotics maybe, and other things. This is of course my opinion. Though this is coming from a 1.6KD ~30+ Flawlesses Crucible Player. Not trying to brag, but I know it makes a huge difference in someone’s value of opinion depending if they are a PvP or PvE main, or depending on skill and outlook because of it…

Don’t ever stats me and try to think anything like that will ever make me be on the pvp side. Now you idea of crucible like quest was something that me and other players came up with in destiny 1 when the new abilities nightstalker,sun breaker,and the warlocks arc subclasses were done. Literally in destiny 1 bungie showed and proved that they could make use of the pvp maps for pve environments. We told bungie why can’t you do more of that. Make horde modes where when a new pvp map is made let us unlock them by having to go there and wipe out whatever enemy decide to settle there. Could make new weapons and armor based on enemy gear and make that the rewards. Did bungie listen no they didn’t because they didn’t come up with the idea to do that. Bungie could have even done something special for lunas howl and not forgotten. Something cool since both weapon revolve around a guardian and his pet dog. But removing pvp into its own multiplayer deal would allow for such type of creation for activities and so on that would add to that multiplayer experience. Bungie would be able to keep there oh you can use the weapon and so on in both pve and pvp by as you unlock weapons and armor in pve you unlock them in pvp as well. Separate the perks to where there are certain perks that are pvp and certain perks that are pve. Ammunition like high caliber,armor piercing,and explosive rounds will be a chose ammo perk that will also be only useable for certain weapon types. Explosive rounds can only be place on handcannons,scout rifles,and sniper rifles anyways so that keeps the game balanced to where all the other weapons can use the other ammo types. I mean the list goes on if pvp as a whole is removed from being an integral part of the game and place into its own multiplayer section. An yes those horde modes would be placed on each of the respective planets and could even be made as a cycle deal where only three horde modes will be available once per week and you go to shaxx to pick up bounties and or quests to complete for them. But all of this every single bit of it revolves around bungie being lazy and not willing to do anything that the community wants because they didn’t come up with it.

That whole defensive comeback and long written message just for the one thing we all know. They are lazy

I like to be exact an make sure everything is covered. I have been called stupid and what have you even with one word and short statement answers. So either way I’m either stupid for explaining or I’m stupid because I use one word answers or short statements. Also let me be clear you are not calling me stupid. I’m not saying you are. I just like to make sure everything is covered.