Menagerie farm was easily the most rewarding time in this game. The player actually felt like it was worth constantly doing the activity. I think I did 110 Menagerie runs during the period that it was dropping extra loot. That is approximately 660-880 drops.... I STILL didn't get all the rolls that I wanted from it because of pure RNG. Perhaps more importantly though, it felt like it was worth going back for another run again and again. The chances were higher, my time was being rewarded. It wasn't a 15 minute run for a CHANCE to roll 1 piece of loot you want, and even if you get that loot, an even higher chance at trash rolls. There is 70-80 days left of this season and I am already done with Override. Once or twice a week and then I am done. It's more boring than Arrivals public events. More boring than Shadowkeep's Vex Offensive. More boring than Sundial. More boring than Battlegrounds. I've seen more AFK people in Override than I ever have in any activity in this game before, and I don't even blame them. The cherry on the cake here, Bungie are now being super stingy with the double perk weapons too. Each passing season they show time and time again that they do not care about your time invested into this game. Bungie think it is better to keep players on a constant grinding hamster wheel, always chasing something, inflating that playtime. The funny thing is, I did more Menagerie and Arrivals events than I will ever do Overrides. Simply because it felt like it was WORTH DOING.

Umbrals have only gotten worse since their original introduction. Here's some infuriating tidbits of info- You only get the currency needed from expunge or override chests (and seasonal challenges often requiring completions of expunge or override). You don't earn clan XP from running expunge or override, so even if you play all day with clanmates in those activities, you still have to go do something else to contribute to your clan. These two simple points, make the idea of a continual grind be at odds with itself. They want us to grind everything, all the time, for little to no reward. Absolute insanity.

It was too much last season. It's too much this season. Bungie doesn't want you to be able to get the god rolls you want easily, they want you to grind for hours to get that best item that they'll just figure out how to ruin in the future.

My gripe is that once the last upgrade for expunge is done that you only get 3 drops per character each week that can possibly be a weapon with double perks. It should be any weapon drop has double perks. I like however that data can drop from expunge chests that then allow you to focus an umbral, also the keys can drop during expunge run so would be nice to be able to hold 10 keys as after getting 5 keys and starting expunge runs and having keys dropping that can’t pick up and for me haven’t had them go to postmaster. Can they go to postmaster or nah?

It wouldn't be as tedious if we could farm the seasonal material in any activity. That said it would be nice if they toned down the cost of tier 3's and maybe 2's. It's getting tedious and when it gets tedious you lose people. There's only so much something new carries an activity.

Agree. Plus being forced to no life this game without getting even close to the thing you’re chasing is tedious & boring. I’ve done over 30+ nightfalls and can’t even get Snapshot on the Uzume RR4. I wanted to take it into PvP but I can’t stand doing the same shit over and over especially when it’s a strike I did hundreds of times in Destiny. Just because Omnigal got a different name and the final encounter was tweaked a bit doesn’t make it new. I wish they gave a shit about this game more. 💠

Bro you get 75 from an expunge that takes 5 mins lmfao. If you’re really that mad maybe Destiny isn’t the game for you?

Yea top row needs to be at cost of umbral. 2nd needs to be 25 or 50, 3rd should be 75 or 100. It’s worse that gauntlet upgrades use same resource. I have to choose between guns and gauntlet and naturally guns are winning so gauntlet is sucking. Right now I pretty much get 1 umbral for 75 decrypted data which means I never have extra for upgrading gauntlet.

they need to make it cost more 😐 If you on the forums posting about it you got too much time on your hands obviously

oh my god please stop -blam!-ing whining. It averages to a weapon you want every 2 runs, that is some of the fastest farming we've ever had in destiny. I remember destiny 1, when there was maybe a 20% chance to get a skeleton key at the end of a playlist strike. Then you had to play the strike you wanted and insert one skeleton key per run. So an average of 6 strikes for the weapon you want. Please, shut, up.

im sorry. i just dismantle them.