Gnawing hunger certainly needs a tweak, however overused =/= overpowered

Inb4 someone saying "git gud" Anyways, I see what you're saying.

Nyet, rifle is fine.

Probably the most balanced primary meta we've ever had in the crucible to date, so many options to use that can compete. Autos, high impact pulses, hand cannons, sidearms and a bunch of exotics are in the meta, don't go calling for nerfs! Instead ask for hand cannon tweaks 140s,110s,180s, scout 180,200 and smg 600,900 buffs for even more options. If any crucible nerf is needed it's for special ammo and sword and emote peaking.. Bout it.

Me with my favourite sidearm thats finally been updated to 2.0 and tranquillity [spoiler]shotguns tho[/spoiler]

Nah, there are more competitive class of weapons now. High impact pulse, autos and hand cannons with all having similar TTK. Don’t get caught out in the open all the time and countering autos are quite easy. I swap between all three and never get angry because I was killed by a weapon I’m not using. I also laugh so hard at people who immediately switch to a weapon archetype they were just killed by, immediately thinking this will put them on a level of their rival and still get owned. Learn movement.

People with hand cannons would kill other people bc they can repeatedly press the trigger better. It's kinda the same thing. The only difference now is that you can't use hand cannons the same way that you used to. It's kinda like learning a new weapon, but once you get the hang of strafing and moving differently they still work.

They don't kill you because they hold the trigger better than you! They have better aim! Stupidest thing I've seen in a long time!

[quote]I'm just saying if I go into PvP there is 1 thing in common. I see autos. Autos everywhere and its just isn't fun, if someone can kill me because they can hold the trigger better than me that just isn't fun and I don't understand how people can call that fun at least during the hand cannon meta it took skill and I would understand if someone could kill me but if little old Jimmy can go around a corner and just hold the trigger it just dumb PvP should have a skill gap but it just doesn't right now. [spoiler]Moderator edit: This thread has been updated with tags that are more appropriate. Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, link to topic, for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler][/quote] Don’t let people hose down your head and you’ll be fine. They aren’t over powered at all. You need sustained headshots to get a low TTK.

The easiest weapon shouldn’t be the most powerful. Revoker and 600 rpms need nerfs

People like using auto's, let them have their season. Be thankful you still have many options.

quite a time to be alive

I don’t see a problem with it, we had a full year of nothing but hand cannons.

They don’t need a nerf. Bungie needs to just buff other weapon types to make them more competitive.

I don't really think autos are broken, but they are very viable. Autos are in a comfortable spot that other weapons should be in. So with that being said: I don't think autos should receive a nerf. Now when it comes to handcannons, I think Bungie needs to consider two different things: 1. [b]Get rid of bloom... seriously.[/b] It's a bad mechanic for the game. To my understanding, bloom exists to limit the range of a handcannon so that it can't contest other weapons at long ranges. Now while it makes sense that you would want to limit the ranges of handcannons, going about it this way just doesn't work. Damage drop-off exists for a reason and is more than capable to discourage players using a weapon outside of its optimal ranges. Players also shouldn't ever be at the mercy of an rng system when trying to simply land shots on their target. And the worst part is: [u]Handcannons have to suffer from both damage drop-off and bloom.[/u] 2. [b]Ranges may need tweaking.[/b] Now in all honesty, I'm not really a handcannon user. I have always like using scout rifles in PvP ever since Destiny 1. Therefore, I can't really say with confidence that handcannons really [i]need[/i] more range than they already have. However, I have heard many complaints that there is really no reason to use high impact/low rate of fire handcannons because the range is too limited. I think we can all agree that ranges should increase as the rate of fire lowers. With that being said, recoil should also increase as rate of fire lowers. It would make sense for players to be able to hit enemies at a longer range with high impact handcannons and get fair damage, but it shouldn't be a cake walk. Plus, the higher recoil makes is more difficult to engage enemies at a closer range. (Bungie may also want to consider zoom levels on high impact handcannons) The goal is to not have a weapon that is too good in too many situations. Being too good in too many situations leaves little room for counter-play and makes crucible into a crutch zone (as if it isn't already, right?). Something I think we are all just gonna have to understand though is that Bungie just may not intend to make it a balanced game. I know that in any game metas are going to exist and right now we are currently in an auto rifle one. You may not like it, but you may like the next one. Let's just not act like the handcannon meta was some kind of PvP utopia or something. TL;DR Autos are in a good spot. Remove bloom on handcannons. Increase ranges on higher impact handcannons, but makes sure recoil keeps them in check.