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6/20/2020 10:22:39 PM
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Riven didn't grant the fanatics wish
So this is another bit of information people believe in
And unlike Saint x Osiris, a very large number of the lore community believe in this "fact" including byf himself
However today I'd like to dispel this bit of false information and show you that not only were WE wrong, but that our "lore masters" are capable of being incorrect as well. Also it's another reason to talk about the Scorn again and I'd never pass that up
So I might as well summarize what exactly I'm talking about. You see after the events of the forsaken campaign where we killed the fanatic for the first time, we soon discovered that there was a new strike where we faced the fanatic once again. This wasn't the first time we faced a story Mission boss in a strike in D2, however unlike Nokris and xol (two strikes that just can't be canon due to how they conflict with the campaign and pre established lore) the hallowed lair is actually the conical fate of Fikrul as proven by the outliers lore card in the stolen intelligence book
Now the community sorta came to this weird consensus that when we killed the fanatic for the first time, Riven heard his desire for revenge and granted his wish. This did a fair job at explaining how he came back to life right?
Well... There is zero mention of such a thing in this game. Believe me, I've looked
From Ishtar collective (the best website for finding lore)
To the Destiny fan wiki (which isn't all that great, I'll admit. They still believe in Eris' origins from truth to power)
There is zero evidence suggesting that Riven granted Fikrul's wish for vengeance. Honestly I have zero idea how we as a community came to believe in this fake fact so passionately. What bothers me the most is that Byf himself, an icon of the lore community, believes this to be the case as well when there's no proof to such a claim
So how does the fanatic return from death? Well... We don't have an official answer. The Destiny wiki claims it's his dark ether, reanimating his body shortly after death. But can we really trust a website that got tricked by the truth to power book?
I've seen a few people say (again, no real evidence) that necromancers in Destiny can just revive themselves no problem.
What ever the answer is, we know what is isn't...
[b][b][u]RIVEN DID NOT GRANT THE FANATICS WISH[/u][/b][/b]
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2 RespostasThe wish isn’t granted...yet. If he really made that wish, I’d bet the next time the Scorn come into play Fanatic is going to be a much more serious threat.
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1 ResponderIf scorn are basically just dead fallen brought back by dark ether, wouldn't it be possible to bring scorn back the same way? Doesn't the fanatic say something about by us killing his scorn he just brings them back or makes more? I mean we always just leave our enemies corpses lying around, it wouldn't be impossible for the scorn to grab him after we leave and just bring him back... We should really start cutting their heads off or something.
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Yea.. Idk why ppl think that.. Guess they ignored details like that bit in truth to power.. Where bungie pulled a page out of goosebumps books & gave us a choose your own adventure entry.. And people went crazy with their tinfoil hats lol
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3 RespostasIt’s actually rather simple. How did he get resurrected/transformed in the first place? The dark ether.
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3 RespostasSounds cool... if only it was told to me in a strike/cutscene/adventure/mission. If only I cared enough to take an hour out of my day to rng grind for the more itself than another 20 to read the whole essay.
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Simple answer? It’s the Dark Ether. Want to know how I know this? Let’s take a look at what we know. The Fanatic was originally brought back to life when Uldren wished to save him, which caused for his Darkness corruption to contaminate Fikrul’s Ether and resurrect him. This was the origin of the Dark Ether flowing through his veins. But now the argument might come up that if this is how the Fanatic comes back, why doesn’t it work like this for every Scorn? But there’s a fundamental misconception with that. For you see, the rest of the Scorn aren’t actually using the Dark Ether from the Fanatic. Fun fact, in the ‘Most Loyal’ lore book we see that the pure Dark Ether easily overloads servitors but what’s most curious is that it instantly kills any other Fallen than ingest it, permanently. They aren’t brought back as Scorn. The Dark Ether used to reanimate dead Fallen is actually diluted Dark Ether. The Fanatic comes back because of the purer strain of Dark Ether.
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2 RespostasFanatic II - Forsaken Prince All your answers are there
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3 RespostasGood post. The only theory we can rely on currently is that Fikrul’s Corrupted Ether is keeping him from dying. I believe that this theory makes perfect sense. The Corrupted Ether is what revived Fikrul in the first place (when Uldren found him) and Fikrul is now the source of that Ether, which he also uses to revive all the other Scorn repeatedly. So we know that the Corrupted Ether can revive Fikrul, and we know that Scorn can be revived repeatedly as long as their body is intact.
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5 RespostasWhat you have to understand about Byf is that he forgets that he's not in charge of destiny's lore ,and tends to just go with what HE thinks should or should not be canon. There have been rant videos in the past where he expresses frustration that the story didn't go the route he wanted to, like not on a lore nerd pissed at continuity errors frustrated, no , more like a how dare they violate my version of events which is obviously gospel and sacrosanct level of mad . I don't really care for him anymore, myelin or even joker are way better people to go to for a lore discussion.
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Oh please.
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1 ResponderByf is just a lore translator. His opinion and view of the lore is that of any one person. His sub count and popularity doesn't make his beliefs more accurate
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3 RespostasWhen did morons start thinking Fikrul the Fanatic was brought back to life by Riven through his own wish? His power derives off Uldren's wish ....
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7 RespostasEditado por Corrick II: 6/21/2020 2:50:30 PMWasn’t it Uldren that saved him? Through whatever dark power he was corrupted with during the campaign? I just assumed it was Riven working through Uldren, so either way, goes back to Riven. Also don’t try too hard to pick apart the Scorn storyline. It’s paper thin.
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2 RespostasIf I recall right, it was the collective of the Guardians' wish to save the city, misconstrued by Quria... or something like that.
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9 RespostasDid uldren want him to come back to life? [quote]He triages the Archon's wounds. Mortal. The victim is shaking now, trembling under Uldren's hands. He wants so badly to do something, anything, to ease the poor soldier's passing. To have the power some say his sister had, to save just by proximity— Does he wish it? Does he wish to save this poor thing? He does! He does! His eyes burn with sympathetic tears as he works to bind the Archon's wounds. His hands are quick and gentle, and he weeps with the strength of his hatred for the Guardians that did this. As tears stain the Archon's wounds, the Ether roiling through Uldren's fingers slowly grows heavier, darker, more noxious. He does not notice. Finally, he leans back to smear his knuckles across his eyes—sore, they're always so sore. Under the unmarked helmet, four dead eyes open in wonder. The Archon croaks a word, a broken leftover of a dying hallucination, calling out to whoever he wanted to see welcoming him into the afterlife: "Dad?" [/quote] https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/fanatic-part-ii#book-the-forsaken-prince Like this is the reason why the fanatic can keep coming back and stuff.
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1 ResponderEditado por OdinsKnight101: 6/21/2020 6:14:40 AMHis strike feels closest to ones, we would get in D1 honestly and that's why it's my favourite strike. I just wish the foes at the end would not stop counting for no reason, for the bounty to kill scorn in strikes.
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1 ResponderIn game dialogue says he can be resurrected by corrupted ether. That's why all scorn can be brought back over and over again. Even drift mention this when you get the scorn as the gambit enemy.
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1 ResponderEditado por Noble 6: 6/21/2020 7:45:22 AMI'm pretty sure they've left that part intentionally vague and a lot of people have just filled in the blank parts in their mind. I actually don't mind that there isn't an explanations as to how Scorn resurrection works exactly, because Destiny IMO has always been (at least to a certain degree) about mystery and wonder. The Light and The Darkness were initially conceived as forces beyond our understanding. So while they're starting to explore their universe more and more, leaving certain things vague and unexplained serves Destiny's themes very well I think. ...but yeah, obviously I too would like to know. :P
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1 ResponderEditado por KMPJBDog: 6/21/2020 12:26:13 PMIm pretty sure in the Uldren lore cards it says that Uldren found a dying Fikrul and wished he could save him. Riven heard him and granted the wish infusing his ether with darkness and bringing him back to life. This is what gives him his powers and allows him to come back to life and bring back other fallen as scorn. So it is Uldren’s wish not Fikruls that lets him resurrect. Edit:Forsaken Prince lore book-Fanatic part 1 and 2
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1 ResponderI’ve never even heard that theory and I dislike the way byf makes an assumption then goes off on a tangent with it and acts as though it’s fact
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5 RespostasI thought it was because he was the one Scorn with the power to resurrect... Even himself. He tells you when he dies that he’ll be back. Also he has about 30 immunity phases in that strike... Maybe he just went immune and played dead.
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[quote]What bothers me the most is that Byf himself, an icon of the lore community[/quote] We don't need to pedestal anyone, but if you see information in the game or read it online as a Bungie source? just remember it and you'll be considered a better lore person than a "master" because you will actually become a master eventually.
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4 RespostasJust because there's no evidence for it doesn't mean it can't be the case. We don't know it isn't true, there might not be evidence to prove its true, but that doesn't mean it definitely isn't true.
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1 ResponderIn the absence of evidence for or against a specific issue all people can do is speculate. At this point no one is right or wrong as there is no evidence to support either conclusion. I'm of the opinion the fanatics dark ether prevents his death, he self resurrects like an old school warlock. But I won't say the Riven theory is wrong without proof to the contrary. Xol was a one time death, repeated strikes of this was lazy content creation by bungie. Nokris, I disagree with, a known necromancer that looks to still be alive based on recent information suggests we have been repeatedly killing him. Things get messy when you have ascendant realms involving a necromancer and savathun showing an interest
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I kinda just assumed he brought himself back like everyone else
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I just figured the fanatic kept coming back because the scorn are technically zombified fallen, or that’s how I’ve heard the scorn described as. I know that’s not a good enough explanation lore wise, and technically it was the fanatic that would convert the dead fallen into scorn from what I remembered. I’m just putting the fact that zombies in most media don’t die unless you aim for the head. But put in dark either space-magic, and who knows? I mean guardians are pretty much zombies. Either way I didn’t even know people thought that people thought that Riven granted him a wish that kept bringing the fanatic back for us to keep killing in that strike. Also to add that lore people can get stuff wrong, a more recent assumption most people had was the Deep Stone Crypt being on Enceladus(sp?) because of that one recorded message Cayde left for Petra in the Ace in the Hole quest mission. I mean it sounded likely and I believed it too. But then again “it” is pretty vague, and what importance would a secret exo facility be of use to the awoken? Then when Beyond Light was revealed with the Exo Stranger coming back, I figured a big reason for her being there probably has to do with the Deep Stone Crypt since she’s an Exo.
