Uh...shoulder charge nor icarus dash break tracking of aim assist or ability tracking. A hunter can dodge and a nova bomb will go off to space. A titan can shoulder charge and it will be tracking your ass like the IRS.

Ah that’s why you get to use it infinitely and always have it up... you also get to kill people by just running into people with it and you also get a shield to put up to defend yourself as well... the dodge needs to do something dude...

Uh, you don't get a shield unless you use an exotic, an exotic almost literally nobody uses. Also, I'm not trying to say the hunter's dodge does things it shouldn't, fyi. I'm just stating the differences in how you use it vs what the benefits of it are, which plays a big part in said benefits. Hunters can be used from a stand still, removes tracking capabilities such as rockets, skip grenades, arc bolts etc. It also deactivates aim assist (which only matters on console). It also can either reload your weapon in hand or restore a melee charge if near enemies. Its cooldown can also be cut down drastically and its base cooldown isn't actually that bad. Shoulder charge requires a wind up, can kill people, can be consistently used as an evasive maneuver so long as it doesn't hit something and depending on the skill tree can offer suppression or melting point (striker's does nothing). Shoulder charge has the longest cooldown of the 3, ranging from a 1:22 to around 35 seconds at max strength which is a long time considering most life spans of players on average in crucible is about 20-30 seconds. Icarus dash can only be used in the air but grants a burst of speed in a single direction and can be used twice on a 5 second cooldown. Icarus dash is the least impactful but that's why it regenerates the fastest.

What so you don’t get a class ability? Since when... you don’t need an exotic to put up your wall. The three classes are balanced in movement and abilities.

I play both classes mainly warlock and actually it isn't the jumping itself that's overpowered its the fact that on console being capped at 30fps makes it somewhat difficult to keep up with hunter mobility. On pc this is not a problem. And what is this magical grenade from warlock class that wipes entire teams? HHSN? If that happens its there fault for cuddling no?

he’s talking about arc bolt + arc web

Fully specing for Mobility aint hard lol.

Fully specked for one specific trait is always easy but you have to give up a lot in other areas in order to achieve it, for example I can run 10 mobility but then in turn I can only run 7 recovery and 3 intellect. But if I run 9 mobility I can run 8 recovery 3 intellectual. (The three stats I listed are the most important stats for me) it’s give and take just like the other classes... warlocks get a healing rift tied to recovery (best stat in the game) but in order to get this they have to run lower mobility or intellect. While again they get a double dodge on a 5 second cool down for free.

Most of the hunters in Mythic+ (and subsequently QP/IB) run 8-10 Recovery and 9-10 Mobility. That's all they need, really. The other stats don't really matter so long as you're running more than 3 resilience.

Warlocks-improve ttk with class ability Also warlocks- hunter jumping is op!

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