I’ve given up on what I wanted to do concerning raids. I honestly don’t really like them, but I’d like to complete each one once. Did Leviathan. That’s it. Tried EoW back in year one. People quit before we finished it. Tried LW on three separate occasions. Never finished. One session was 7+ hours. Never made it past Riven in any of them. They have become convoluted and as such LFG has become very toxic. It’s either kwtd or hope for a Sherpa that doesn’t mind spending an entire day teaching players as they drop in and out and have to restart the teaching process over and over again and then you likely won’t finish anyway. I just don’t see how raids as an activity, are worth the effort and resources to make for as few people that seem to do then regularly let alone complete them. It seems like they’re insisting on this very specific activity that is nothing like the 99% of the game we played prior to it only for the sake of a small fraction of players. I’m not saying get rid of them completely, but D1 raids were FAR better because players could help and there was clutch moments where the surviving three players saved the day. I wasn’t big on raids in D1 either but they were SO much better. I also don’t see why they can’t have an optional, additional version that is more like The Menagerie or these past seasonal activities and you only get a single reward per week. I’d gladly limit my rewards for the sake of it actually being fun and not some arduous and aggravating process.

I personally ignore all posts that say "have 10+ clears kwtd" even when I have the requirements. Also, another annoyance is when I'm hosting or I'm with a friend who is hosting, and we don't put that you need to know what to do, but we ask everyone before we start, just in case, then we start n there's that one person that doesn't know what to do, but refuses to admit it, then gets called out on it but still refuses to admit it, it's like dude, we don't care, just tell us the truth n we will explain what to do rather than wipe X amount of times in the same spot because you don't want to say I don't know what to do.

That's what blueberrys do my dude. They don't want anyone as inexperienced as them, they want to get a carry

Lfg using this forum or lfg using discord? Discord is a lot more reliable.

I used to raid a bunch. D2 lfg is way too toxic. And, you are correct. There are so many dozens of posts with some iteration of KWTD with most being made by inexperienced players. I just create my own groups and title them "fresh gos" or "fresh scourge". If I want to spice it up, "fresh gos, must have D1 y1 ghally".

what raid did you want to do? I'll raid with you, if you're on psn.

Wholeheartedly agree one of the worst things about these raids is that the way buingie has designed this game,players gate off other players because they dont have said items like for example izis for garden. Don't get me wrong izis is great but it should not be nearly REQUIRED nor x amount of raids after 3 I said that's go enough and we all had to do are first clear at some point. The other day I ran an eow, the group was teaching a few so I assisted we got through ph1 but when we got to ph2 it just didn't happen 5 guys each one of us hit at least 1.8mil or over on the boss while some new guy hit only 200k so it ended up being a bust. I explained to the player that you MUST do x amount of damage bungie made it this way and they are to blame no one else. Bungie really needs to find a way to eliminate this gating issue it was present in d1 when ghallahorn was a thing and bungie nerfed that to the point of no return to cease it,maybe its time they do that to izis and others or make all weapons do respectable amount of damage for dps so there is not required weapons just recommended. Ive yet to get izis ive done 6 of the seven raids countless times just have yet to run a GOS do to some of these reasons.

Have you checked Reddit? I met quite a few positive and helpful Sherpa's on r/destinysherpa and always recommend people check that out. Is there any raid in particular you are looking to do? I can see if our clan is looking to run some raids this week.

In my opinion those #kwtd and #1,000,000+clearsONLY posts should be bannable for 1 week. But you'll have crayon-eaters defend them to the death.

Not either or. Its both and. You have people who have no experience demanding that others be experienced....so they try hide the fact that they're asking to be carried. But the guy you cited is also unusual. He isn't the typical LFG raider. He's basically a sherpa....which is unfortunately pretty rare these days. Partly the community's fault. MAINLY Bungie's fault for completely changing raid design such that taking even ONE inexperienced or weak player into a raid is to risk the whole raid failing. The reason why first time raiders don't announce their first time status is because NO ONE ----except that sherpa----is going to give them the time of day. So they either try to misrepresent their experience level and go undetected..... ...or they quit trying, come here, and vent their frustration. In my experience, LFG is an unpleasantly transactional place that I don't go looking for players until I have no other option. Because trying to find them is an annoying and tediously time consuming process. Using the API I usually have to try to join 5 to 10 teams before I finally get a reply. And when I create my own team, I often have a couple of false starts before I get a decent player who knows what they're doing. Its like the old work place conundrum. No one will hire you without experience. But you can't get experience if no one will hire you. So raiding is VERY difficult to break into if you don't have a clan that will learn with you....or are lucky enough to find smeone willing to sherpa.

Yeah it's all sorts of wrong, but game design doesn't help. In fact it puts more burden on the player to player interaction and thus this divide persists. Imo after the 4 weeks they really should offer a watered down mode to help players get into it. Easy mode raid should be an introduction to allow players to understand basic mechanics, make sherpa less exhausting, and improve overall engagement. It is overwhelming for any first time raider and the existing system, prevents them from building confidence, offers no way to polish their skills, and as a result creates this type of kwtd/x clears yada yada necessity. Some player may never want to move up to normal as they might feel they are not capable or find the increased stress less than desirable for them. It's certainly better than the broad exclusion and net result of constant community in fighting. Just my thoughts. I dont blame the players. We are all being funneled into this situation through lack of options. There are development solutions out there that other games have leveraged. Side note. I would find an extreme mode fun as well. Make it clear its designed for less than 1% of player base completion rate and I'll be happy to beat my head against that wall. I dont consider flawless an equivalent challenge. It doesnt interest me as it doesnt push the envelope.

Bungie could add a raid match making system that matched ppl with, eg; 0-10 clears, 10-20, 20-50, 50-100, 100 plus. Or similar. They haven't and they won't, because A) they're lazy, B) they suck. Lots of other games with multiplayer features have a similar skill match making system.

Exactly why I avoid those posts like the plague and kwtd is the most I'll ever ask for.