[quote]Well first, you're like never here and hardly participate so why should your idea be considered better? You dont really understand the situation. You dont have the experience. You could've just said, "here's another idea" and alsonposted it in one of the many other threads. This just sounds like you're here to stir up drama.[/quote] Lol so you’re going to judge by measure of my circumstances instead of by the content of what I’ve actually stated? Just because I’m not as active doesn’t mean I’m not here. I still lurk. [quote]Second, you obviously didn't read the discussion because the council would be for both players and DMs. It's also more like a group of referees than judges and pretty much does exactly what you said further below.[/quote] A council can easily be biased and rule by a group of people is inefficient and slow. The most effective way is to abide by an objective system of rules or methods. [quote]Third, I like and use dice for the both of us when I'm running things. Most folks here dont play d&d and I dont think it neccessary to force systems that are complex to outsiders upon everyone.[/quote] I don’t think a dice system would be that complicated. A child can easily understand it and you can even just simplify it to using a d20 or d6 or something to that effect. Stats will probably be what makes it complicated. I’ve ran sessions where we threw stats to the wind and just used dice to determine the outcomes. I’ve used this resource https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/blogs/geekdad/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/DnDish.pdf We started off with dealing with stats but then I found that for the group I was running, stats only slowed down the pace. So instead we just reduced it to just using the attempt/try roll, resist roll, and outcome roll. Literally children easily understood that concept. [quote]Fourth, I think having a tier system as strict as you're suggesting would cause more unnecessary drama than a DM simply saying, "No." For an event.[/quote] Not at all. On the contrary, a simple “no” would be more dama-causing. A tier system at the very least gives the rejected person a rational explanation as to why they were denied from participation. Because someone like you who seems to easily give in to animosity and may be on the council could easily reject someone on a whim with no reasonable basis for doing so. Power is removed from biased hands and given over to a neutral, unbiased, and objective set of rules. [quote]Fifth, why is that machine gun wielding knight out of his league? Flaming poop monsters arent that strong, I've killed many of them with low level d&d groups. My proudest kill was with a cantrip, Vicious Mockery, which is basically just magic shit talk.[/quote] See? This is what I’m talking about. You’re so caught up with your bias that you can’t reason rationally. Your perspective of what a type of creature should be like will probably differ from what another person has in mind. Again, you fail to explain what a FPM is (which you seem to be obsessed over). Before, I gave an example of a machine gun wielding knight versus a giant dragon. I’m sure you aren’t cultured enough to have seen the latest Godzilla movie, but King Ghidorah, a three-headed dragon, tanked bullets as if it was nothing, and explosions were simply an annoyance to him/it/them... whatever. Now if dragons are what you’re referring to, sorry to burst your ignorant bubble but not all dragons fit under your narrow-minded expectations.

So just so we're on the same page, you're claiming I resort to animosity instantly when...you resorted to animosity first. Okay darling. You obviously dont know me half as well as you think you do as I've only told two people "no" and only after trying to have conversations with them about the issues. I've only been hostile towards you because you have been hostile towards me from the beginning. Snark aside, of course explain what your problem is and work with them first before just telling them no, but if someone is going to keep being a problem then ignoring them for the rest of the event is realistically all you can do. As for dice, like I said, unlike dice and I use them. I dont have a problem with the system itself but i've met and played with people that have had a hard time grasping simple board games. Its rude to insult everyone by claiming it's so easy a child could do it. I still dont see the need to force this upon everyone. Your ideas are still far more restricting, complex, and would still require a group to organize create and enforce them. The last point was a joke mocking the flaming poop monster because that's the kind of thing he would claim while also throwing his flaming poop at space ships to destroy them. I keep mentioning the Flaming Poop Monster because I am 100% certain you are him.

[quote]So just so we're on the same page, you're claiming I resort to animosity instantly when...you resorted to animosity first. [/quote] No. It was you who started slinging the insults. [quote]Okay darling.[/quote] If you have to attempt belittling me, that just goes to show how intimidated you are of me to begin with. [quote]You obviously dont know me half as well as you think you do as I've only told two people "no" and only after trying to have conversations with them about the issues. I've only been hostile towards you because you have been hostile towards me from the beginning.[/quote] I know you half as well as you deserve. Apparently you equate me with whomever you associate “flying poop monste” with because in another thread, you explicitly stated that you’ve only said “no” two FPM and done other unknown dude, and then proceeded to address me as flying poop monster, even though I hardly am active on Offtopic. [quote]Snark aside, of course explain what your problem is and work with them first before just telling them no, but if someone is going to keep being a problem then ignoring them for the rest of the event is realistically all you can do.[/quote] Except you roll off as snarky and hostile from the get go. If “ice queen witch” is your persona it definitely is an accurate one that fully encompasses your personality. [quote]As for dice, like I said, unlike dice and I use them. I dont have a problem with the system itself but i've met and played with people that have had a hard time grasping simple board games. Its rude to insult everyone by claiming it's so easy a child could do it. I still dont see the need to force this upon everyone. Your ideas are still far more restricting, complex, and would still require a group to organize create and enforce them.[/quote] If you find it insulting that I’ve said “it’s so easy a child could do it,” that they are offended is completely their own fault. I’ve literally taught kids very basic D&D and not only did they understand it, from that point on, they preferred D&D like battles via dice than the usual LARP that kids tend to play and then regress into arguments over how OP each other is... which is exactly the problem you guys seem to be having. In no way am I forcing anything as, obviously, I’m not a Bungie moderator. Perhaps my idea is simply more simple than your own and you are intimidated by it, hence why you assert that I’m “oh-so forcing it upon you”. There’s nothing restrictive about tiered events. The function of a tiered system is to moderate expectations. If you’re too strong, then the established tier level of the event will explain why the DM of that event is either restricting your role or is barring you from it, and if you’re a weak-ass character compared to everyone else at an event, quit your b[i]i[/i]tching that everyone is too OP, because it’s basically Mumen rider versus the Sea King. [quote]The last point was a joke mocking the flaming poop monster because that's the kind of thing he would claim while also throwing his flaming poop at space ships to destroy them. I keep mentioning the Flaming Poop Monster because I am 100% certain you are him.[/quote] I don’t even know who you are referring to by “flaming poop monster”, so your analogy is useless. Obviously, whomever it is, considering your hostility towards him/her, you’re very embittered by them. Perhaps they told you off in an impactful way. Of which I would not be in the least bit surprised considering how anti-social you tend to be.

[quote][quote]So just so we're on the same page, you're claiming I resort to animosity instantly when...you resorted to animosity first. [/quote] No. It was you who started slinging the insults. [quote]Okay darling.[/quote] If you have to attempt belittling me, that just goes to show how intimidated you are of me to begin with. [quote]You obviously dont know me half as well as you think you do as I've only told two people "no" and only after trying to have conversations with them about the issues. I've only been hostile towards you because you have been hostile towards me from the beginning.[/quote] I know you half as well as you deserve. Apparently you equate me with whomever you associate “flying poop monste” with because in another thread, you explicitly stated that you’ve only said “no” two FPM and done other unknown dude, and then proceeded to address me as flying poop monster, even though I hardly am active on Offtopic. [quote]Snark aside, of course explain what your problem is and work with them first before just telling them no, but if someone is going to keep being a problem then ignoring them for the rest of the event is realistically all you can do.[/quote] Except you roll off as snarky and hostile from the get go. If “ice queen witch” is your persona it definitely is an accurate one that fully encompasses your personality. [quote]As for dice, like I said, unlike dice and I use them. I dont have a problem with the system itself but i've met and played with people that have had a hard time grasping simple board games. Its rude to insult everyone by claiming it's so easy a child could do it. I still dont see the need to force this upon everyone. Your ideas are still far more restricting, complex, and would still require a group to organize create and enforce them.[/quote] If you find it insulting that I’ve said “it’s so easy a child could do it,” that they are offended is completely their own fault. I’ve literally taught kids very basic D&D and not only did they understand it, from that point on, they preferred D&D like battles via dice than the usual LARP that kids tend to play and then regress into arguments over how OP each other is... which is exactly the problem you guys seem to be having. In no way am I forcing anything as, obviously, I’m not a Bungie moderator. Perhaps my idea is simply more simple than your own and you are intimidated by it, hence why you assert that I’m “oh-so forcing it upon you”. There’s nothing restrictive about tiered events. The function of a tiered system is to moderate expectations. If you’re too strong, then the established tier level of the event will explain why the DM of that event is either restricting your role or is barring you from it, and if you’re a weak-ass character compared to everyone else at an event, quit your b[i]i[/i]tching that everyone is too OP, because it’s basically Mumen rider versus the Sea King. [quote]The last point was a joke mocking the flaming poop monster because that's the kind of thing he would claim while also throwing his flaming poop at space ships to destroy them. I keep mentioning the Flaming Poop Monster because I am 100% certain you are him.[/quote] I don’t even know who you are referring to by “flaming poop monster”, so your analogy is useless. Obviously, whomever it is, considering your hostility towards him/her, you’re very embittered by them. Perhaps they told you off in an impactful way. Of which I would not be in the least bit surprised considering how anti-social you tend to be.[/quote] Honestly dude, she's mad because you basically made a big ol' "you're wrong and stupid" post about her and she's upset. I can see that she did get a little mean, but it was kind of warranted. Don't know if you're just a troll or you just didn't notice, but this post kinda just screamed "Nil is stupid go with my idea instead".

[quote][quote][quote]So just so we're on the same page, you're claiming I resort to animosity instantly when...you resorted to animosity first. [/quote] No. It was you who started slinging the insults. [quote]Okay darling.[/quote] If you have to attempt belittling me, that just goes to show how intimidated you are of me to begin with. [quote]You obviously dont know me half as well as you think you do as I've only told two people "no" and only after trying to have conversations with them about the issues. I've only been hostile towards you because you have been hostile towards me from the beginning.[/quote] I know you half as well as you deserve. Apparently you equate me with whomever you associate “flying poop monste” with because in another thread, you explicitly stated that you’ve only said “no” two FPM and done other unknown dude, and then proceeded to address me as flying poop monster, even though I hardly am active on Offtopic. [quote]Snark aside, of course explain what your problem is and work with them first before just telling them no, but if someone is going to keep being a problem then ignoring them for the rest of the event is realistically all you can do.[/quote] Except you roll off as snarky and hostile from the get go. If “ice queen witch” is your persona it definitely is an accurate one that fully encompasses your personality. [quote]As for dice, like I said, unlike dice and I use them. I dont have a problem with the system itself but i've met and played with people that have had a hard time grasping simple board games. Its rude to insult everyone by claiming it's so easy a child could do it. I still dont see the need to force this upon everyone. Your ideas are still far more restricting, complex, and would still require a group to organize create and enforce them.[/quote] If you find it insulting that I’ve said “it’s so easy a child could do it,” that they are offended is completely their own fault. I’ve literally taught kids very basic D&D and not only did they understand it, from that point on, they preferred D&D like battles via dice than the usual LARP that kids tend to play and then regress into arguments over how OP each other is... which is exactly the problem you guys seem to be having. In no way am I forcing anything as, obviously, I’m not a Bungie moderator. Perhaps my idea is simply more simple than your own and you are intimidated by it, hence why you assert that I’m “oh-so forcing it upon you”. There’s nothing restrictive about tiered events. The function of a tiered system is to moderate expectations. If you’re too strong, then the established tier level of the event will explain why the DM of that event is either restricting your role or is barring you from it, and if you’re a weak-ass character compared to everyone else at an event, quit your b[i]i[/i]tching that everyone is too OP, because it’s basically Mumen rider versus the Sea King. [quote]The last point was a joke mocking the flaming poop monster because that's the kind of thing he would claim while also throwing his flaming poop at space ships to destroy them. I keep mentioning the Flaming Poop Monster because I am 100% certain you are him.[/quote] I don’t even know who you are referring to by “flaming poop monster”, so your analogy is useless. Obviously, whomever it is, considering your hostility towards him/her, you’re very embittered by them. Perhaps they told you off in an impactful way. Of which I would not be in the least bit surprised considering how anti-social you tend to be.[/quote] Honestly dude, she's mad because you basically made a big ol' "you're wrong and stupid" post about her and she's upset. I can see that she did get a little mean, but it was kind of warranted. Don't know if you're just a troll or you just didn't notice, but this post kinda just screamed "Nil is stupid go with my idea instead".[/quote] I never called Nil stupid in my post. There’s nothing devaluing of one’s self in being wrong, and everyone makes bad or stupid decisions every now and then. But the council idea is indeed stupid for the reasons I’ve outlined in my post. If she wants to play the mean game then I’ll simply fight fire with fire. She has the tendency to not be able to take the heat anyways it seems. Your own interpretations are your own.

I'm not claiming that you outwardly did call her stupid, but it's not hard to see that completely disagreeing with someone and outright calling their idea stupid can be seen as a little hostile. I get where you are coming from in what you are saying that a "council" isn't the best strategy, imo rule by a few usually isn't, but outright denying that it would ever work and callling it completely stupid is definitely an agressive act, whether you intended so or not. Plus, in this situation, a council would make sense because of the fact that these stories and plots are the brain children of the few, not the many. It would be unfair to take someone's hard work and hash it out so they wouldn't have much say over their own story. I'm not trying to side with Nil or call you the bad guy, but meeting out her response with equal harshness just isn't the way to go when it's kind of obvious that this post targeted her and it hurt her feelings. I do agree that my interpretations are definitely my own, but I also feel there is definitely miscommunication between both of y'all.

[quote]I'm not claiming that you outwardly did call her stupid, but it's not hard to see that completely disagreeing with someone and outright calling their idea stupid can be seen as a little hostile. I get where you are coming from in what you are saying that a "council" isn't the best strategy, imo rule by a few usually isn't, but outright denying that it would ever work and callling it completely stupid is definitely an agressive act, whether you intended so or not. Plus, in this situation, a council would make sense because of the fact that these stories and plots are the brain children of the few, not the many. It would be unfair to take someone's hard work and hash it out so they wouldn't have much say over their own story. I'm not trying to side with Nil or call you the bad guy, but meeting out her response with equal harshness just isn't the way to go when it's kind of obvious that this post targeted her and it hurt her feelings. I do agree that my interpretations are definitely my own, but I also feel there is definitely miscommunication between both of y'all.[/quote] Literally anyone could have brought up the council idea and I still would have said it was stupid, because I’m not saying it’s stupid on the basis of who is saying it, but from personal experience of watching how an amateurishly council quickly becomes full of themselves. Government values itself over morality. If someone has birthed their own world building, I definitely agree that the creators should have a say (hence why I tend to dislike Disney’s hijacking of Star Wars from Lucas’s established lore and canon and consistency, but that’s another subject). With that in mind, an objective set of rules is the best way to impartially carry it out, with the addition that I said in another post pointing out that the creator never is obligated to accept certain sets of events as canon. But RP, like D&D, is a collaboration between the players and the DM, with the established rules as the best way to keep both parties in check.

Yeah I do see what you are saying, but again you adressed Nil by name in the title of the post, thus seeming to make the post less about just the idea itself but specifically that it was HER idea. You said it didn't matter if it was her idea or not, that you would have called it stupid anyway, so what really was the reason for putting her at the forefront of it anyway? You definitely do have a solid argument on why a council wouldn't be the best, but just saying "Nil's idea is stupid" is just rude. There are a myriad of ways you could have voiced your opinion without pissing off Nil, but your wording made it come off as your intention to do so. [spoiler]Plus by putting her name in the title, I could REALLY see how this might be interpreted as name and shame, and it would kind of sad to see you get the hammer :/ [/spoiler]

[quote]Yeah I do see what you are saying, but again you adressed Nil by name in the title of the post, thus seeming to make the post less about just the idea itself but specifically that it was HER idea. You said it didn't matter if it was her idea or not, that you would have called it stupid anyway, so what really was the reason for putting her at the forefront of it anyway? You definitely do have a solid argument on why a council wouldn't be the best, but just saying "Nil's idea is stupid" is just rude. There are a myriad of ways you could have voiced your opinion without pissing off Nil, but your wording made it come off as your intention to do so. [spoiler]Plus by putting her name in the title, I could REALLY see how this might be interpreted as name and shame, and it would kind of sad to see you get the hammer :/ [/spoiler][/quote] Everyone has stupid ideas now and then. It’s fallacious to equate your identity with your ideas, as they are subject to change. Someone else had made a post regarding Nil and her idea, so logically it’s just simple and efficient to refer to her ideas as “Nil’s idea” so that a reader understands what I am referencing to. So it was not rude in the very least and if you’re going to get offended by it then that’s your choice. [spoiler]It’s as if you’re going out of your way to make a mountain out of a molehill. It’s interestingly hypocritical that you are solely chastising me instead of the both of us. Your bias is apparent. [/spoiler]

I'm sorry that you think I am biased, after I have agreed with your side multiple times, and have pointed out that Nil was wrong in what she did as well. The reason I didn't make this all about her, was because this is YOUR post. If your are going to just keep going on the defensive, then I won't try to push any farther. Whether you picked up on it or not, my main point was that if you weren't so critical of people and their ideas, then they wouldn't explode on you.

[quote]I'm sorry that you think I am biased, after I have agreed with your side multiple times, and have pointed out that Nil was wrong in what she did as well. The reason I didn't make this all about her, was because this is YOUR post. If your are going to just keep going on the defensive, then I won't try to push any farther. Whether you picked up on it or not, my main point was that if you weren't so critical of people and their ideas, then they wouldn't explode on you.[/quote] I never asked that you make it all about her. Your bias is evident due to you only trying to chastise me. Nothing is obligating you to not chastise her as well. There’s nothing wrong with being critical of the behavior or people or their ideas. If they explode then that is their choice.

Hold Nil, it is an idea and a concern, so his statement is valid. Put aside any personal animosity you 2 may have and work through the ideas first.

I dont see how I'm being unreasonable when he's the one attacking me. I even addressed his points with counterpoints and stuff!

Let's just pretend that we all care about each other, no insults and figure this out for the enjoyment of everyone, ok?

I admit this is easier said than done. How about you filter out the main arguments from the banter between her and I? Lol

I will try, lol. I am falling asleep, not from everything here, just from exhaustion.

Get your rest man. Don’t put Offtopic before your health. Lol we’ll be here tomorrow.

[quote]I dont see how I'm being unreasonable when he's the one attacking me. I even addressed his points with counterpoints and stuff![/quote] Oh so you’re going to conveniently leave out the fact that you were slinging insults at me in another thread? Please leave your narcissism at home.

You mean the one where you were insulting literally everyone?