Quit whining and go get yourself a Thorn or good shotgun. Then everything will be even. I've had three Thorns, two party crashers plus one, more Matadors then I count, and one judgement shotgun that wrecks almost everyone I run into. I sucked at pvp early on and still do at times even with these guns. The maps also dictate a guns effectiveness. Small tight maps are only made for shotguns. Hell I get slaughtered with my thorn on small maps. You have to use a shotty or die. Put those same shotgun players on a big map and they get slaughtered by snipers and long range rifles. Go get the guns everyone else has then Go have fun and play.

just two things: 1. Dedicated Servers 2. Private Matches ...there you go, fun restored ;)

Here's my laundry list. There are many like it, but this one is mine. The shotgun nerf failed. The special ammo nerf also, to some extent, failed. Shotguns are OP because Destiny has some of the most cluttered, short firing lane, smallest sized maps in FPS games. Shotguns still OHK from too far away on maps where there just isn't enough room to maneuver outside their range, especially on objective game types which force you to remain inside of a small area. Thorn hits too hard for a weapon which can be fired much too quickly (or with nowhere near enough recoil on a 2 shot kill weapon) and also has significant DOT to allow chasedowns or fire and forget kills. TLW, despite its seemingly abyssmal range, experiences almost no dmg drop off on most maps and has 2shot kill potential. Both weapons have theoretical 4 kills/magazine potential combined with the highest ttk in the game, that means not using them is objectively handicapping yourself. There a relatively large gap in power between these two weapons and the next best (Red Death and Hawkmoon) followed by an insane gap in the effectiveness of every single other exotic weapon. Autorifles no longer have the dmg to be effective counters to handcannons thus the hand cannon bonanza. Legendary pulse rifles, scout rifles, and handcannons are generally equally competitive outside of the exotics. Bring autorifles to parity and the standard legendary primaries have achieved balance. Fusion rifles do nothing that a good shotgun can't do better and require much more skill to make work and so aren't used. The previous fusion rifles were a little too good so maybe the current version is actually well balanced once the insane range on certain shotguns is fixed. Snipers are very hard to use effectively given map design and sniper friendly maps aren't in rotation (bring back Bastion, First Light, and Skyshock), minus the vehicles if you have to since vehicle game play is half assed in Destiny anyway. Red Death and Hawkmoon are about parallel in their strength and are at the high end of what constitutes good exotic design (a small nerf to both wouldn't kill them, increasing guardian health by 15% would do the same). MIDA is currently the only exotic scout rifle in 2 expansions and a year of play, Bungie pls. Crucible game modes need dedicated host servers. The hybrid physics host/peer host server system is a good (but not great) compromise that works fairly well for pve. It has -blam!- huge latency and way too much lag to be competitive for the high side of the curve gamers and is so often the determination of performance that many people who want to enjoy pvp are simply unwilling to suffer this abomination. Spend the money guys, you'll retain player populations and add more purchases to recoup the expense. People are quitting this game because they want to play crucible and are frustrated to find it a mess. Bungie is getting a poor reputation thanks to crucible performance issues. We want to love you Bungie but sometimes you make it an "in spite of" thing".

My List: Thorn: Obviously. Nerf the range, shouldn't be more useful than scouts at a distance. Decrease the rate of fire, it is [i]sooooo[/i] spammable. Lessen DoT to 4 or 5. TLW: Fix ADS glitch. Decrease the damage of each shot when ADS. (So people would have incentive to hip fire) Nerf the gosh darn range. Shotguns: Nerf these panic switches. The main problem is that there are so many Felwinter- type shotguns out there + Shot Package reforging. Nerf range. Nerf Impact. Make them shitty. Autos: Honestly, I think they are fine. They just seem like they kill slowly because we are so used to HC's getting us kills in .36 seconds. Pulse Rifles: They would probably be the most complained about if it weren't for Thorn and TLW. They are okay, but I don't like getting cross-mapped. ( Looking at you, Messenger) Fusions: I think they should be left alone. People say they are bad, but really, the main problem is that there is no reason to use them over shotguns. The little extra range isn't worth the charge time. Nerf shotties, and they will be fine. Snipers: JUST LET ME PICK UP MORE THAN 4 SHOTS FROM A SPECIAL AMMO CRATE GODDAMN IT. Rockets: In vanilla Destiny, rockers were useless. Now, with the grenades and horseshoes perk, they're all I see. Make grenades and horseshoes decrease velocity and blast radius. Ward of Dawn: WoD doesn't do shit. It's basically one big "super me" sign. Make the Defender's super... you know... actually defend.

Wrong! The Crucible is a place where you get shot from behind walls. your supers dont do anything. ppl are walking into walls and you are only fighting with yourself! yes! I'm talking about lag. Who needs weapon balancing if you cant even get a shot at it? :))) -blam!-ing bungie sucks with this...

First of all, the thorn bounty is one of the most difficult, Being the longest and the Void pvp, because most void weapons suck balls

I can just imagine that scene from Dewey Cox. "He needs more and less blankets!". Only at the Bungie studio " we need more and less nerfing!"

Just use a Mida tool and out range them brah they got no chance. That's what I do, cause you know they never use snipers anymore and the Mida has range for days and can four shot and also at that range it causes a good amount of flinch which keeps them from being able to hit you.

"Place of fun"-seventh circle of hell

Shotguns have already been nerfed to shit....the hand cannons are only an issues because everything has been nerfed. Make everything useable not just one set

AGREED

Shotguns are fine. You have to get so close to kill, takes skill. Otherwise, you just get gunned to shit while trying to get close. Shotguns are easily countered. If you let them get right next to you, you deserve to die. As for Thorn and TLW, they could prob both use a nerf. Thorn's DOT got stealth nerfed though on the last patch. It's more balanced now, although still admittedly a bit OP. I find TLW is my most hated gun in Crucible though. I just can't beat good players with that gun. Then again, I can't beat many good players with any gun, but just sayin... I think if they buffed auto rifles, we'd definitely begin to see more variety again. I can't wait to take my Suros or my 42 round Shadow Price out of retirement. Or finally get to use my Adept Summoner, for that matter.