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3/3/2021 3:24:48 PM
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Would you be in favor of them removing gear from anyone and everyone whos ever cheesed any encounter?
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Win-trading ruins the competitive nature of Trials, as does Account Recovs, DDOSing, and other, more malicious forms of cheating. Cheesing PvE encounters only affects your teammates, whom are likely on board with your methods. Not the same thing, in spirit nor magnitude, unless it's a World's First Race or some form of competition between raid teams.
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Win trading doesn’t actually hurt anyone else though. It’s effectively the PvP version of harmless cheesing. And please, please god don’t pretend that there is any competitive nature in Trials. It’s almost exclusively nothing more than a playground for the top 1% of players to thrash on the average player.
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I believe the rest of my first sentence outlines the other issues keeping Trials from feeling competitive. The mode was still designed to be [b][i]the[/i][/b] aspirational PvP mode, and all PvP ideally should function with the spirit of a fair competition. I agree that Win Trading is nowhere near as harmful to the mode as the other problems, but it's still gotta go.
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[quote]Win-trading ruins the competitive nature of Trials, as does Account Recovs, DDOSing, and other, more malicious forms of cheating. Cheesing PvE encounters only affects your teammates, whom are likely on board with your methods. Not the same thing, in spirit nor magnitude, unless it's a World's First Race or some form of competition between raid teams.[/quote] It is the same thing since cheesing pve can get you gear that you otherwise wouldnt of had.
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PvE isn't competitive in nature at all. If anything, PvE is entirely cooperative. The rewards for PvP and the rewards for PvE aren't of the same magnitude. The spirit of competition is what separates PvP from PvE.
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[quote]PvE isn't competitive in nature at all. If anything, PvE is entirely cooperative. The rewards for PvP and the rewards for PvE aren't of the same magnitude. The spirit of competition is what separates PvP from PvE.[/quote] The gear used in one can be used in the other. Some great weapons for pvp are obtained in pve.
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Modificato da Le_Reinforcements: 3/3/2021 8:11:52 PMAnd some of the gear acquired in PvE makes PvP easier. It doesn't matter. The flawless reward during the Win-Trading was armor. Armor with potentially higher stat rolls than other sources, but still just armor. While I won't attempt to claim that better stats from armor attained in PvP won't help players perform better in PvE, the difference isn't usually substantial enough to trivialize PvE to the point you're trying to argue that PvE gear obtained from cheesing would imbalance the Crucible, Trials especially. Again, keep in mind that I'm not arguing to leave Win Trading be, but that it be dealt with with the same swiftness that Bungie deals with the rest of the issues in Trials. If that means expediting their efforts, all the better. I just find it disingenuous that the issue Bungie instantly cancels Trials for is the one that is arguably the least malicious.
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[quote]And some of the gear acquired in PvE makes PvP easier. It doesn't matter. The flawless reward during the Win-Trading was armor. Armor with potentially higher stat rolls than other sources, but still just armor. While I won't attempt to claim that better stats from armor attained in PvP won't help players perform better in PvE, the difference isn't usually substantial enough to trivialize PvE to the point you're trying to argue that PvE gear obtained from cheesing would imbalance the Crucible, Trials especially. Again, keep in mind that I'm not arguing to leave Win Trading be, but that it be dealt with with the same swiftness that Bungie deals with the rest of the issues in Trials. If that means expediting their efforts, all the better. I just find it disingenuous that the issue Bungie instantly cancels Trials for is the one that is arguably the least malicious.[/quote] Im not advocating one way or the other. Idc if they keep their loot or not. What in saying is the people who are wanting them to have the gear taken away should also agree that people who exploited pve to get gear should have it taken away as well. Meta changes every season. Maybe next season the trustee is the meta and the best weapon for pvp. If someone exploited pve to obtain it thats the same principle as exploiting pve. I personally say good for then for finding an exploit. I dont think it messes with competition much because no trials weapon is powerful enough to make an average skilled player a better player. They may get a few more kills on average but not enough to drastically change their skill level.
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I would be fine with that.
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[quote]I would be fine with that.[/quote] Ok atleast your consistant about it. I see a bunch of people saying take away the gear from trials exploits but would scream murder if they cheesed a nightfall and list their gear.
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Destiny could use some policing. Normalizing cheating is not ok for the people not cheating. I'm sure many people wanted to get their hands on the trials gear and did not because they weren't willing to cheat for it.
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[quote]Destiny could use some policing. Normalizing cheating is not ok for the people not cheating. I'm sure many people wanted to get their hands on the trials gear and did not because they weren't willing to cheat for it.[/quote] I personally dont care about this type of cheating since it doesnt actually hurt people playing trials. If you find an exploit that doesnt cost a opposing team to lose go for it.
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I think there’s a big difference between win trading in pvp, and running a solo dungeon above you finding out all the best places to attack from.
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[quote]I think there’s a big difference between win trading in pvp, and running a solo dungeon above you finding out all the best places to attack from.[/quote] Im talking about actual exploits. Like the emote glitch to despawn enemies in laviathan type exploit.
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Yeah take that away... Half the fun for me in D1, was trying to solo an entire encounter designed for 3 with Icebreaker. Finding spots where you could Hide behind a rock that the hive ogre couldn’t hit you, or cheese sniping fallen from a distant ship...or hiding under a platform to get free sniping headshots on a boss
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[quote]Yeah take that away... Half the fun for me in D1, was trying to solo an entire encounter designed for 3 with Icebreaker. Finding spots where you could Hide behind a rock that the hive ogre couldn’t hit you, or cheese sniping fallen from a distant ship...or hiding under a platform to get free sniping headshots on a boss[/quote] Yea i dont think anyone should have a problem with doing stuff like that. Hell with solo lost sectors they kinda make you play that way lol
