[quote][quote]I never said there werent christian slave owners although that made them hipocrites. Common knowlege is memorization, actually no most natives that associated with us were christian and all i repeat all blacks were christian so invalid. Spain,france, and england had spread christianity around the world so most were in the us 1. You said southerners weren't Christian. Nice try. What were the slave owners of they weren't Christian? Lol ----no i said majority werent, never said all [b]This is completely false. Southerners were very much religious during this time period. They belonged to a sect of Christianity.[/b] 2. Just lol at the common knowledge part. ---ya you need to memorize things to make it knowledge duh [b]This is also false. Memorization is not knowledge.[/b] 3. The native Americans and Africans became Christian out of force and fear. In fact, many kept their traditional religions alive by simply combining the two religions. -----it was never by force most welcomed it christians dont do it by force Furthermore, you can't make a blanket statement stating all blacks are Christian without proof. [b]Conversions were very much by force and fear. Especially when Europeans first came into contact with Africans and Native Americans. Also, if Africans were so welcoming of Christianity why did native religions survive well into the nineteenth century?[/b] -----they were yet youre talking about proof yet youve given none iether [b]I'll gladly supply all the monographs I've read. I'm sure your proof is a fat guy in a bald eagle T-shirt thats on the radio.[/b] 5. The point about looking down on people wasn't specific to one area but a general statement. ----i got that and its wrong [b]How is it wrong? It's widely shown throughout history that Christians look (especially European Christians) looked down on everyone unless they were white. This is evident in Africa, the Americas, Asia, India, etc.[/b] 6. You've already been proven wrong. -----have i? You or i have been having a pissing contest with no citations what i see is niether of us have proven each other wrong [b]You have been. You're blatantly disregarding history in order to support your agenda.[/b] 7. Wouldn't Christians be classified as liberals? Shouldn't your morals and ideals lean you more that direction?[/quote] ----negative because liberalism or the modern day definition is immoral [b]Tell me how liberalism is immoral? Would Jesus and God not support something along the lines of universal healthcare? [/b][/quote] [spoiler]By the way, one shouldn't so eagerly dismiss other sides of the political spectrum. There needs to be a healthy balance between the two.[/spoiler]

[quote][quote][quote]I never said there werent christian slave owners although that made them hipocrites. Common knowlege is memorization, actually no most natives that associated with us were christian and all i repeat all blacks were christian so invalid. Spain,france, and england had spread christianity around the world so most were in the us 1. You said southerners weren't Christian. Nice try. What were the slave owners of they weren't Christian? Lol ----no i said majority werent, never said all [b]This is completely false. Southerners were very much religious during this time period. They belonged to a sect of Christianity.[/b] 2. Just lol at the common knowledge part. ---ya you need to memorize things to make it knowledge duh [b]This is also false. Memorization is not knowledge.[/b] 3. The native Americans and Africans became Christian out of force and fear. In fact, many kept their traditional religions alive by simply combining the two religions. -----it was never by force most welcomed it christians dont do it by force Furthermore, you can't make a blanket statement stating all blacks are Christian without proof. [b]Conversions were very much by force and fear. Especially when Europeans first came into contact with Africans and Native Americans. Also, if Africans were so welcoming of Christianity why did native religions survive well into the nineteenth century?[/b] -----they were yet youre talking about proof yet youve given none iether [b]I'll gladly supply all the monographs I've read. I'm sure your proof is a fat guy in a bald eagle T-shirt thats on the radio.[/b] 5. The point about looking down on people wasn't specific to one area but a general statement. ----i got that and its wrong [b]How is it wrong? It's widely shown throughout history that Christians look (especially European Christians) looked down on everyone unless they were white. This is evident in Africa, the Americas, Asia, India, etc.[/b] 6. You've already been proven wrong. -----have i? You or i have been having a pissing contest with no citations what i see is niether of us have proven each other wrong [b]You have been. You're blatantly disregarding history in order to support your agenda.[/b] 7. Wouldn't Christians be classified as liberals? Shouldn't your morals and ideals lean you more that direction?[/quote] ----negative because liberalism or the modern day definition is immoral [b]Tell me how liberalism is immoral? Would Jesus and God not support something along the lines of universal healthcare? [/b][/quote] [spoiler]By the way, one shouldn't so eagerly dismiss other sides of the political spectrum. There needs to be a healthy balance between the two.[/spoiler][/quote] I disagree while balanced debate sure is a good thing theres only one right answer to anything. Liberalism or the modern defeinition what i call leftism drags down the country morally socially and economically. No universal healthcare is immoral because youre leaving your life in the hands of a beurocrat who doesnt give a shit about you. The free market provides us the best healthcare in the world

I like how you finally conceded all the numbered points because you realized you were incorrect. It took you long enough to stop disregarding history. In regards to politics, there is no one side is right and the other is wrong. Politics is not a math problem with a specific answer, to think that it is would be illogical. It's shown throughout history that politics involves both sides of the political spectrum to be effective. So you're saying Jesus wouldn't be for universal healthcare because it's handled by bureaucrats? Would Jesus not be in support of you giving what you have in excess to help others? Or is Jesus just a capitalist to you?

[quote]I like how you finally conceded all the numbered points because you realized you were incorrect. It took you long enough to stop disregarding history. ---i didnt you changed the subject In regards to politics, there is no one side is right and the other is wrong. Politics is not a math problem with a specific answer, to think that it is would be illogical. It's shown throughout history that politics involves both sides of the political spectrum to be effective. -----theres always a right and wrong answer So you're saying Jesus wouldn't be for universal healthcare because it's handled by bureaucrats? Would Jesus not be in support of you giving what you have in excess to help others? Or is Jesus just a capitalist to you?[/quote] -----he believed in giving to others but he didnt believe in stealing from others to do so christians believe in charity not theft

1. I didn't change the subject you didn't answer anything. 2. No, if history teaches us anything there isn't always a right and wrong answer, especially in politics. Again, this isn't a math problem. 3. So, if you believe in charity would you willingly pay for someone else's health coverage or operation? Or is that theft?

[quote]1. I didn't change the subject you didn't answer anything. ----sure i did 2. No, if history teaches us anything there isn't always a right and wrong answer, especially in politics. Again, this isn't a math problem. ---kinda is i said theres always a right and wrong answer i never said one sides always right 3. So, if you believe in charity would you willingly pay for someone else's health coverage or operation? Or is that theft?[/quote] ----government forcing you at gunpoint is theft charity isnt so i think you should know my answer to this

[quote][quote]1. I didn't change the subject you didn't answer anything. ----sure i did [b]No, you didn't. Maybe in your mind you did, but you definitely did not. Especially not adequately. [/b] 2. No, if history teaches us anything there isn't always a right and wrong answer, especially in politics. Again, this isn't a math problem. ---kinda is i said theres always a right and wrong answer i never said one sides always right [b]Again, no there isn't always a right and a wrong answer. If history teaches us anything it is this. [/b] 3. So, if you believe in charity would you willingly pay for someone else's health coverage or operation? Or is that theft?[/quote] ----government forcing you at gunpoint is theft charity isnt so i think you should know my answer to this[/quote] [b]okay, so when you get everyone to be as charitable as a Christian should be we'll do away with working towards health care reforms. While I don't agree with what the govt is doing, I understand it. [/b]

[quote][quote][quote]1. I didn't change the subject you didn't answer anything. ----sure i did [b]No, you didn't. Maybe in your mind you did, but you definitely did not. Especially not adequately. [/b] 2. No, if history teaches us anything there isn't always a right and wrong answer, especially in politics. Again, this isn't a math problem. ---kinda is i said theres always a right and wrong answer i never said one sides always right [b]Again, no there isn't always a right and a wrong answer. If history teaches us anything it is this. [/b] 3. So, if you believe in charity would you willingly pay for someone else's health coverage or operation? Or is that theft?[/quote] ----government forcing you at gunpoint is theft charity isnt so i think you should know my answer to this[/quote] [b]okay, so when you get everyone to be as charitable as a Christian should be we'll do away with working towards health care reforms. While I don't agree with what the govt is doing, I understand it. [/b][/quote] We are the most charitable country in the world I don't think we need those government programs to begin with fact I know we don't redistribution of wealth create a selfish Society this is proving because conservatives gives more to charity than any other group

Okay, first of all I think you should really take an English class to fix up that atrocious grammar. Secondly, if you're so charitable help out someone who's less fortunate. You're saying since republicans donate the most means that everything is good? Also, I'd republicans are such good Christians why are they so against things such as gay rights? You'd think the Christian values of equality would ring true for them as well. Oh wait, never mind, people just pick and choose what to follow in religion, I forgot.

[quote]Okay, first of all I think you should really take an English class to fix up that atrocious grammar. Secondly, if you're so charitable help out someone who's less fortunate. ----i do i donate to charity somtimes buy a burger for a homeless guy You're saying since republicans donate the most means that everything is good? Also, I'd republicans are such good Christians why are they so against things such as gay rights? You'd think the Christian values of equality would ring true for them as well. Oh wait, never mind, people just pick and choose what to follow in religion, I forgot.[/quote] ----reason is different for different republicans me personally thinks government should stay out of religious acts. The whole reason theyer in it is to incentivise families thats why they get tax benifits. Gays cant reproduce so giving them those benifits is unproductive

[quote][quote]Okay, first of all I think you should really take an English class to fix up that atrocious grammar. Secondly, if you're so charitable help out someone who's less fortunate. ----i do i donate to charity somtimes buy a burger for a homeless guy [b]sometimes doing something isn't enough. If you're truly religious you'd do it every chance you got. [/b] You're saying since republicans donate the most means that everything is good? Also, I'd republicans are such good Christians why are they so against things such as gay rights? You'd think the Christian values of equality would ring true for them as well. Oh wait, never mind, people just pick and choose what to follow in religion, I forgot.[/quote] ----reason is different for different republicans me personally thinks government should stay out of religious acts. The whole reason theyer in it is to incentivise families thats why they get tax benifits. Gays cant reproduce so giving them those benifits is unproductive[/quote] [b]If the government should stay out of religion why do republicans always revert back to religion when talking about gay right and abortion? Why don't gay families get the same benefits? They can adopt a child or go through a surrogate. If you were truly religious you'd realize how unequal some of these laws republicans support are for gays. [/b]

[quote][quote][quote]Okay, first of all I think you should really take an English class to fix up that atrocious grammar. Secondly, if you're so charitable help out someone who's less fortunate. ----i do i donate to charity somtimes buy a burger for a homeless guy [b]sometimes doing something isn't enough. If you're truly religious you'd do it every chance you got. [/b] ----i do what i can people need to fend for themselves for the most part You're saying since republicans donate the most means that everything is good? Also, I'd republicans are such good Christians why are they so against things such as gay rights? You'd think the Christian values of equality would ring true for them as well. Oh wait, never mind, people just pick and choose what to follow in religion, I forgot.[/quote] ----reason is different for different republicans me personally thinks government should stay out of religious acts. The whole reason theyer in it is to incentivise families thats why they get tax benifits. Gays cant reproduce so giving them those benifits is unproductive[/quote] [b]If the government should stay out of religion why do republicans always revert back to religion when talking about gay right and abortion? Why don't gay families get the same benefits? They can adopt a child or go through a surrogate. If you were truly religious you'd realize how unequal some of these laws republicans support are for gays. [/b][/quote] ----depends on the republicans our problem with how it was ruled is the supreme court doesnt make law they did that illegally. I gave you my opinion but marriage is a religious act after all and no religion allows gay marriage. Honestly its a dumb subject and last on my list of issues. Abortion is murder plain and simple dont want kids? Dont get pregnant

[quote][quote][quote][quote]Okay, first of all I think you should really take an English class to fix up that atrocious grammar. Secondly, if you're so charitable help out someone who's less fortunate. ----i do i donate to charity somtimes buy a burger for a homeless guy [b]sometimes doing something isn't enough. If you're truly religious you'd do it every chance you got. [/b] ----i do what i can people need to fend for themselves for the most part [b]I forgot, most Americans became firm believers in the "Protestant work ethic". [/b] You're saying since republicans donate the most means that everything is good? Also, I'd republicans are such good Christians why are they so against things such as gay rights? You'd think the Christian values of equality would ring true for them as well. Oh wait, never mind, people just pick and choose what to follow in religion, I forgot.[/quote] ----reason is different for different republicans me personally thinks government should stay out of religious acts. The whole reason theyer in it is to incentivise families thats why they get tax benifits. Gays cant reproduce so giving them those benifits is unproductive[/quote] [b]If the government should stay out of religion why do republicans always revert back to religion when talking about gay right and abortion? Why don't gay families get the same benefits? They can adopt a child or go through a surrogate. If you were truly religious you'd realize how unequal some of these laws republicans support are for gays. [/b][/quote] ----depends on the republicans our problem with how it was ruled is the supreme court doesnt make law they did that illegally. I gave you my opinion but marriage is a religious act after all and no religion allows gay marriage. Honestly its a dumb subject and last on my list of issues. Abortion is murder plain and simple dont want kids? Dont get pregnant[/quote] [b]While what they did wasn't right, gays still have rights. Point still stands, though. If Christians were all about equality like you (and OP) states then gays should have the same rights as everyone else, no questions. So aborting a baby when you were -blam!- isn't okay? Lol, kid. Remember there's never just one right answer. [/b]

Ok thats getting confusing to follow lets dtart fresh. Marriage isnt a right though. Yes work ethic is part of the bible "he who does not work does not eat." Or my favorite "give a man a fish hes full for a day,teach a man to fish hell never go hungary."

Marriage isn't a right even though it has implications beyond religion in modern society? lol. Also, I never said worth ethic isn't in the bible. You obviously don't know where the term Protestant work ethic comes from.

[quote]Marriage isn't a right even though it has implications beyond religion in modern society? lol. ----its a contract not a right Also, I never said worth ethic isn't in the bible. You obviously don't know where the term Protestant work ethic comes from.[/quote] ---i know but you tried earlier to do the whole leftist pull on the heart strings argument which doesnt work if the conservitive knows why he stands where he stands. I see my way as more moral