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10/13/2015 10:29:47 PM
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It was stated but not there, but by Cozmo, who I didn't hear about till today, and on twitter, which I'm not on. Even if it dropped in the kiosk that shouldn't have meant that guns you built up yourself should have been knocked down. The lack of clarity is what people are mad about.
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I kind of understand but at the same time everyone one knew SPINDLES (which is the key word) would be brought down by 20 it's not like you put the work in to infuse a 280 to 310, which is something id completely understand. So why think your 300 spindle that you infuse to 310 would be any different
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Why would you think beating a tough mission to get a 310 sword or a 310 scout rifle would be any different than completing a tough mission to get a 310 sniper? Yet there was one. We thought it was different because they said that infused weapons were safe. Plain and simple
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Simply because they said it wasn't meant to drop at 310. They meant for it to drop at 290 but something went wrong. What's the sense of making a 310 weapons drop then taking it back
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Exactly
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I'm saying what are they gaining from that. It should have dropped at 290 but a glitch caused it to drop at 310 so they fixed the glitch. It's not like they promised previously that the weapon would drop at 310 and they decided to take it back
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Did the explicitly promise that the touch of malice or exotic swords would drop at 310? No they just did. They've never taken something away from us like this. Nerfed it's stats yes but never lowered attack.
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What is to say that ALL exotics shouldn't drop at the same attack. Sure they put out that if you were about X level light your exotics should be 310.. But what if you were 300+ when you got the spindle. It's just as fair to say that it should drop at 310
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Bro they said they were going to lower the attack 3 weeks in advance there's no excuse. They didn't say that the simulant would drop at 290 but it still did. They never mistakenly have a weapon a higher light level before. They aren't gunna change it because some people are upset that they didn't comprehend the update. Let it go and infuse the raid weapons you don't want into it there's no point in complaining about this when it was stated 3 weeks ago
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The forums are also designed to be heard by the community, so if we don't voice out that this was a POORLY implemented adjustment. Then what is to say they won't do that again? I'm not saying they will or won't change anything, but they should have just let it be and fixed all future instances. It would have gone over much better. Since I also don't think they made it easier to attain, and getting through that is worse than doing the Raid.
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Then you'd have people crying that some have 310 spindles and they don't. It's a perpetual system. They told us it would happen and people misinterpreted what they meant that's they're fault
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You could have people crying about how some me have a 310 (insert exotic) and others have a 280/290. Literally no separate premise.
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Except for the fact that the day the spindle was available they said it wasn't meant to drop at 310 and that was 3 weeks ago so why is everyone bugging out when bungie goes through with what they said. If you were 300 when you first got the spindle you should have prepped yourself properly for when it was going to be nerfed there's no excuses. They gave you ample warning that's why it's not going to be reversed.
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It's because they didn't clarify about it effecting future drops, ALL Spindles, and poor implementation, and notification from the PR guy. Instead of last second comments from the Dev team about something they messed up. Sure we could infuse it into items, but how can they tell which item you used, without going across logs. Leaving the spindle alone by date, or just fixing future drops is.. As easy if not easier to implement than across the band nerds. Sure you couldn't have a -20 drop from 330.. Because it is impossible to attain currently. So leaving it at the current stays would have been just fine. It doesn't effect anything beyond PvE. How many times has anyone been killed in the crucible by the BlackHammer. It's not a game breaking OOPS.. Literally, nothing would have happened if they just let it be. The argument is on adjusting what is currently in your inventory, for myself. Like.. You were accidentally given a box of food that the manufacturer said. We didn't mean to give you that much, but since we own your apartment (save files). We are just going to go in and take it. You can always buy more food to make back what we took. That's cool right? It's almost an exact analogy.
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No it's not and unless you know about coding then you don't know how hard/easy it is to nerf certain spindles and not the others. The fact that they even gave us three weeks advance notice is enough. You go on and on about how unfair it is but everyone's spindles were nerfed not just certain ones. If the malice wasn't suppose to be 310 they would have told us just like they did with the spindle. If the bank puts extra money in your account by mistake they will correct that error you don't get to keep the extra money because the bank made a mistake. It's just how it works man you gotta let it go.
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Also, banks tinkering with your money caused the latest recession, since they sought more profits and what to use your money to do it, then didn't really care since they are "insured" by the government and were too big to Fail. This is in between hedge funds, and toxic commodities, the over lending of home loans. I don't think I said anywhere about something being "Fair". Just a flat out statement of it, not REALLY effecting anything beyond PvE. I could understand if the gun came out at a light level of over 310. So it was SUPER POWERED.. But it is perfectly inline with other Exotics that can be Rolled or attained at or about 300+ light.
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We're not talking about what caused the last depression where talking about what happens when a company tells you they made a mistake and it will be fixed sometimes in the future. And depression or not banks even still today will take the money that they wrongfully deposited into your account back. And like you said it's not like it's a big change to Pve so why even complain about 20 light
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Monetary value is also different the intrinsic value, there is no real substance that can be exchanged in damage stats. Yet monetary value is based on an exchange rate between nations, what was once a gauge about how much wealth one had, i.e. Gold, silver, and other precious stones. While our intrinsic value of the gun can only be based on us. It's different if I could go around and trade a 310 Spindle at the vendor for extra glimmer, but we can't. And even though we were allowed TWICE to infuse farm it for other guns to be brought to 310. It still doesn't make just an across the board adjustment, with guns you already have justified. So instead of being like.. "Oh hey, you got us, but we are going to fix future drops of this gun, they went this route." I mean, did they make the requirements easier to attain this gun. We won't know until the next rotation, but.. Anyone that really wanted it would have gotten it by now, and knowing the level of BS it was to get it made it more difficult than any other point in the Raid. So for what is now a 290 gun, unless you are a completionist at this point. You probably won't even bother, or have a hard time finding people to help you get this gun. Bungee has always stated they want you to be proud and have a story to tell about how you got your guns. Well, we had a perfect chance right here. It's like when a coin gets messed up by a countries Mint. It only causes that coin to rise in value, the Government doesn't take it out of circulation, because.. "My bad."
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Smh you still don't understand. If they would have if changed it for future drops the people who got the future drop would complain even more than most of the forums are now. The requirement to get the gun was not as hard as people make it seem, I got it on my first run, and it only gets easier because we keep getting stronger with better armor and weapons. 310 or 290 the gun has one of the highest dps in the game so people will most def still try to get the gun regardless of light level. The chaperone drops at 290 and the quest to get that is far more daunting than the spindle. Complaining on the forums about something they announced 3 weeks won't change anything. Infuse a raid special or exotic in to it and move on.
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I am not saying that I won't manage after the fact, and I congratulate you on your first time attainment of the gun, but I have friends on here that even though they were 290+ still didn't get the gun, and after many attempts just gave up on it. That was at the precious 310 mark. But if I don't voice out about the fact that an explicit message about what exactly was going to happen from the proper PR person. Then it sets the precedence that we have to track ALL of team Bungie's tweets to know any possible changes that can effect what you have. Like what just happened with Shot Package, just being.. Removed in this same patch. You can release patch notes the day prior, especially when the patch is as big a download as the expansion.
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Modificato da PrOmIsEd757: 10/14/2015 1:57:13 PMBut they stated the change would happen in a update 3 weeks ago. Why do they need to tell you again the day before when you had 3 weeks advanced notice. The people who aren't on the forums I can understand being a little upset but the ones who frequent the forums are complaining the most. If your on here frequently there's no excuses on not reading the update they put out three weeks ago. They did let us know shot package would be replaced with a different perk while the worked on it last week. It's up to us to come to the forums for update info as bungie can't make a world press conference to address changes. This is the same with any game that gets patched. And 310 or 290 the gun will s be coveted because as I said before its one of the highest dps guns in the game. The drop in 20 light won't matter at all.
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There have also been at least one other patch during that time frame. I can't wait around on every patch, since then it becomes the boy who cried wolf. I am also not stating that it should especially at the vendor be adjusted, however.. If you already had it, what harm is there at just leaving the stats as is when it dropped. I would have been fine if.. I couldn't just get exotics in the wild and have them fall at 310 as well. It is literally the same thing as getting that rifle via a daily on a guy that is WAY harder than beating the Gatelord's eye. It would also be another thing if it was a guaranteed drop from doing that, it wasn't just a high percentage chance. I didn't get the ship from college monkeying that mission, but I'm not here commenting about RNGesus, lol.
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The spindle is a guaranteed drop form that mission the ship isn't. They didn't ask you to wait around they just said be prepared for it to happen. Yes they released pat he's in between that time but they never said they wouldn't nerf the spindle. The glitch that made white nail and give disruptor perk on the black hammer was found out months before it was patched, and other patches came out in the time between but they still patched it. As long as they let it be known that it will be patched in the future then we should have all been ready for it. The harm would have been the massive complaints on the forums about how it's not fair some people got spindles to drop at 310 and other who try the mission in the future don't. It was safer to change all spindles than to just change a select few. It's 20 light it's not that big of a deal.
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The white nail perk wasn't working right since it was giving a buff on the wrong stat, a more technical fix than a base drop in stat values. It would have just been as complained about if the left the spindle TOTALLY alone, but.. Would provide some, since most everyone else would have exploited the mission to their hearts content by now, their first 310 exotic to bridge the gap to 300, and other exotics.. Since.. It's not like you see any of the guns drop in the wild at over 300.
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Modificato da PrOmIsEd757: 10/14/2015 5:17:45 PMYou can't exploit the mission as much as you want because once the gun drops on one character it won't drop again on the same character. Exotics do drop at 310 tho I've had multiple 310 exotics drop for me. It's not that big of a deal to rein fuse your spindle man hell even raid gear drops at 300+ light there are tons of options. Bungie has messed up before but this time it's in the players that didn't comprehend well. It was suppose to drop at 290 and for some reason or other it dropped at 310. They told us it was going to happen and there was no mass panic like there was yesterday. I promise you 20 light level on your weapon alone will not make a huge difference in dps. Complaining about is a waste of energy. They didn't take something away from anyone they just made an adjustment to a weapon they said they would. I only used the white nail perk as an example because you mentioned patches being release during the in between period of the patch announcement and the actual patch. A majority of the community isn't phased by this that's why bungie will not reverse it so there's no point in trying because you'll just get even more upset when you realize they aren't changing it back
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I'm also using reasoning about why I'm upset, and what could be done in the future about this, other that just.. What happened to my Spindle.. I'm mad.. Wambulance
