Reality isn’t whatever you say it is. Case in point. Make your case that the man doesn’t have a personality disorder. If I’m wrong you should be able to show that without attacking and mocking me. [i]But you can’t. :)) )[/i]

If Trump is a sociopath, he would have no impulse control. Sociopaths also share a common trait of not being able to hold steady jobs. If Trump was a psychopath, he really wouldve bombed the sh*t out of many countries as it is known that psychopaths show no empathy whatsoever. Trump is empathetic and cares about the military. people in the military have gotten raises because of Trump. However you said he was a sociopath. There is no way in the world a sociopath would also be a billionare. a pyschopath? yes, but you said sociopath, not pyschopath. pyschopaths show no empathy, but trump has.

1. Anti-social personality disorder isn’t the only personality disorder, and I didn’t say that he was. 2. Only the lowest functioning sociopaths have difficulty masking their dysfunction to the point that they can’t function in society. That is far from true of all sociopaths. 3. Many [i]higher-functioning [/i] sociopaths are actually quite successful. Ranging from being high-level figures in organized crime syndicates, to being quite successful in more conventional careers in areas where there is ample wealth and power, while issues of morality and ethics are grey. Particularly in business, law, and politics. 4. One sociopath was able to wear such a convincing mask of normalcy that he was able to graduate from medical school and nearly complete tracing to become a neurosurgeon before he was revealed to be a serial killer. His name is Michael Swango. 5. High functioning sociopaths are highly intelligent which seems to allow them the ability to successfully [i]mimic[/i] normal behavior and normal emotional response. So they move through society be analyzing normal behavior. Learning what people expect in reply and giving it to them. It is estimated that about 4% of the population is suffering from ASPD. So odds are there are people you know who have it. And not only are there very wealthy sociopaths, it’s believed that they are actually over represented among the wealthy. Though there is no way to be sure since people with personality disorders typically only present for evaluation when forced to do so. Usually by legal authorities. But you still haven’t addressed argument that I [i]actually made.[/i] That President Trump’s behavior is indicative of [i]Narcissistic [/i] personality disorder and not [i]Anti-social[/i] personality order. Swing-and-a-miss. Shall we try again?

The last 3 of your points were talking about psychopaths, not sociopaths. While anyone could be showing traits of a mental disorder such as Narcissistic personality disorder in public through speeches and interviews, it does not mean they have a mental disorder. Here is what I've found about this disorder: "Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder with a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, excessive need for admiration, and a lack of empathy" Now, Trump needed to make himself look important during the election so that he would be taken seriously. Trump does not have a lack of empathy. If he did, he really would have bombed certain countries. Another point to be considered is that Trump isnt always going to act like he does in his speeches. His personal life is guaranteed to be different than his work life. My final point is that you must be with him, in the same room to diagnose him. Heres an example, a doctor isnt going to give you a physical or a mental checkup through a screen. they must be with you.

Don’t tell me what I said: 1. I know exactly what I said. 2. There is a clear record of what I said on this thread. 3. You are insisting that I said things I never said: a. Because you’re desperate to be right. b. You have no idea what you are talking about. 4. Nothing you are saying is relevant to what I said. So going on (inaccurately) about sociopaths and psychopaths is irrelevant to the fact that Trump is a [i]NARCISSIST.[/i] Which is a separate personality disorder that you clearly have no understanding of and cannot speak about. Now to the one relevant thing you said: All people have narcissistic traits. It only becomes a personality disorder when the trait is so severe that it interferes with the patients life. So while he meets all DSM-V diagnostic criteria what is more relevant is looking at what we know about his life: 1. He has been married three time. We know for a fact that he has cheated on all of his wives, including the First Lady when she was pregnant. 2. He has a long history of exploitative business deals. Multiple bankruptcies. As well as borderline illegal actions. 3. He is under investigation for actions in every part of his life by every level of government. 4. He lies constantly about things on a daily basis that are easily fact-checked. He always lies to make himself look better, smarter and more accomplished than he is in fact. 5. When he is criticized he lashes out angrily and personally. No matter how small the perceived slight or how insignificant the person. 6. [i]He never apologizes or admits fault or error under any circumstances.[/i]. Any conflict he is in or any problem he had is ALWAYS [i]someone else’s fault.[/i] Which is the most reliable indicator that some one is suffering from a major personality disorder. The inability to see their own actions clearly and no insight or into the appropriateness of his actions. In his mind he’s perfect, and the only thing wrong is we won’t do what he wants. He is never wrong. Never at fault. So never needs to apologize for anything. Strike two. I really suggest that you quit while you’re behind. I can keep this up all month. Never mind all day. You are a Little Leaguer trying to stand in the box against a 20-game winning Major Leaguer and All-Star, and hitting nothing but air. I will simply keep embarrassing you the longer you keep this up. Just. Stop.

you dont need to write a book. after you said that you didnt say sociopath, i dropped it. Also, I am tired of arguing with people who are intentionally unreasonable. I shouldve listened to that guy that said all you say is a misdirection and deflection. Trump Is not evil. Everyone loves JFK and he was great, but guess what? He cheated on his wife multiple times! Yes, it is bad, but that doesnt mean that they are evil, mentally unstable, or not good presidents. Someones personal life has NOTHING TO DO if they are good or bad. Where is your proof of these illegal actions? The idiots that pulled the investigation found NOTHING on him and WASTED money! You are upset because he is self confident and doesnt believe he is wrong? You are upset because he was mean to people? Just stop you are not as smart as you think you are

1. I don't need to write a book, but I know enough TO write a book.....yet you decided to (foolishly) wade into a fight with me on this subject. 2. You can drop it all you want. There is a VERY clear record on this thread demonstrating that I DID NOT call him a sociopath. In fact I make the point that you CANNOT call him one because there is too much overlap (in terms of lack of empathy and exploitative behavior) between NPD and ASPD to allow for a seperate diagnosis of ASPD. His history is far more typical of someone with severe NPD based on what is in the record, and barring some revelation of behavior that is more typical of ASPD than NPD (say for example a history of domestic violence coming to light).....the singular diagnosis is more appropriate. 3. Facts aren't "misdirection" or "deflection" because you struggle to understand them. I've said the same thing about this man the entire conversation. Just going into greater and greater depth and detail with each post since you (foolishly) tried to impeach my credibility. Then batted away your attempts to argue facts as to why he didn't have a personality disorder....only to proceed to argue against the WRONG disorder. 4. As for the rest of your post. That's just an emotional rant that is factually incorrect, as well as being irrelevant to the discussion. It is simply a rant outlining what you WISH were true...but has nothing to do with what the facts actually indicate. As I said, his behavior is so pathologic that even UNTRAINED observers are starting to realize just how abnormal it....and that its compulsive and not some deliberate political strategy. [i]We are being governed by a man with the emotional maturity of an underparented 8 year old. [/i] Oh. I am not only as smart as I think I am....I've only shown you a tiny **fraction** of what I know about this subject. Which is why you lost this argument before it ever started.

ok, listen. Here are your points. 1.Trump giving a thumbs up for a picture is evil 2. Trump has done illegal actions (which has not been proven) 3. You think that random people can diagnose someone based on what they do in public. 4. You think that a presidents personal life really matters to anyone 5. you think CNN is a good source 6. You think that I really care that you didnt say sociopath. (you are the one who keeps bringing it up) 7. "Deliberately inciting white nationalist fevor....and giving tacit (implied) approval to violent acts against people of color. Most notably against Hispanics and Muslims. But all brown people are fair game." honestly, i have been waiting for proof on this. 8. You think that Trump has the mentality of an 8 year old. Now, I dont know any billionaire 8 year olds but ok. sure. 9. You see my points and call them an emotional rant. Now. I'm not quite sure if you know how dumb YOU look. I'm not surprised that you have a ton of information, because anyone can make up any nonsense.

Gotta love right-fighters. They just **never** give up. 1. Wrong. I said he was close. 2. Several Attornies General for the State of New York would disagree with you. The nice thing about CORPORATE law is that it allows you to violate the law without being held PERSONALLY accountable. 3. [b]I'm not random. [/b] I said that people with the appropriate knowledge and training can do so when you have FORTY-YEARS of public record and a daily exposture to this man's behavior as President. YOU just keep asserting---incorrectly----that I don't have that knowledge and training. Like I said, I'm not going to dox myself to win an argument with someone clearly doesn't what he's talking about....and just assumes that I'm in the same boat that he is. When I'm clearly not. 4. It apparently mattered [i]politically[/i] when it was Bill Clinton and he was getting it on with Monica Lewinski. It matters [i]psychiatrically [/i], because how the narcissistic pattern of engaging with the world and other people IMPACTS the person's life (both public and private) is essentially to defining the disorder. IOW, narcissism isn't a personality disorder until it starts to wreck your life, and the lives of those around you. 5. I believe in an OBJECTIVE reality....and that something isn't an "unreliable source" simply because I don't like what it has to say. The incident in the El Paso hospital surrounding that picture, and the baby in has been confirmed by MULTIPLE independant news outlet. So you're feelings about CNN and what Trump's Narcissism wants to call "fake news" is irrelevant. 6. I know you don't care. Which only emphasizes my point that the sole basis of your objection is an EMOTIONAL one....and not a factual or rational one. So your "lack of caring" that you can't even hold down a debate about what I actually said....and that condition I said the POTUS sufferes from...actually makes MY point for me. Thank you. That was very considerate. 7. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/white-nationalist-terrorists-need-inspiration/595561/ [i]At a May rally in Florida, Trump discussed immigration, saying, “How do you stop these people? You can’t.” When someone in the crowd yelled “Shoot them,” the crowd cheered. Trump did not attempt to tamp down such talk. Instead, he encouraged it, smiling and saying, “Only in the Panhandle can you get away with that statement.” Some people find these statements offensive; others find them insightful. For still others, the words apparently fuel violence. On Monday, a judge sentenced Cesar Sayoc, also known as the MAGA bomber, to 20 years in prison. Sayoc mailed 16 pipe bombs to critics of Trump before the 2018 midterm elections; his attorneys said that after being a “loner” and an “outcast,” he “found light in Donald J. Trump.”[/i] Trump employs a tactic when referring to racial minorities that is called "dehumanization". Although he never states it directly, his word choice always implies that he sees people of color as less-than-human, and equates them to **vermin** Dehumanization is a critical step towards disinhibiting other people's violent impulses towards them. When you subtly communicate that an "out-group" is not really human---and you are seen as a trusted leader by certain unstable or suggestable people----you basically tell them the moral codes that prohibit such behavior don't really apply to them. Therefore, its acceptable to do anything you wish to them. Every major genocide in history----especially the Holocaust---was preceded by such systematic campaigns of dehumanization by the groups or goverments that eventually perpetrated them. 9. He inherited the money. His father earned it. Trump himself has had a number of bankruptcies....and has skated the line of being convicted of fraud for years. But that is irrelevant. One's congnitive abilities (reality testing and problem solving) is seperate from one's EMOTONAL capacity. (Ego strength, sense of personal boundaries and abilty to empathize.) As I stated ealier---in certain situations---having an impaired emotional capacity (being more willing to exploit others) can actually work to your benefit in amassing wealth. Not to your detriment. [b]I don't look the least bit dumb my friend. You are trying to beat me on the very ground on which I earn my LIVING....and I live QUITE comfortably. [/b] I'm having the time of my LIFE watching you screw yourself into the ground in a desperate bid to win a debate you have no hope of winning. Yet you're too stubborn and insecure to admit defeat. I'm really curious to see how far you're actually willing to go with this Fool's Errand.