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12/22/2017 4:28:41 PM
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Eververse DOES hurt gameplay. This is a collecting game- that's straight from Bungie's mouth. Yet it is effectively impossible to collect the majority of items in the game without paying additional money. And even if you pay you only have a chance.
Added to that, look at the number of items added to the game via the DLC and this event. For those that bought the DLC, fully half the items made for that DLC Cannot effectively be obtained except by buying even more. There is a lack of item variety in Destiny that makes it feel repetitive and boring. By reducing the number of things you can effectively obtain through gameplay, they have made the game as a whole suffer.
Bungie talks about this being a collecting game but the majority of items can't be reasonably collected by buying the game or its expansions. That hurts the game.
Micro transactions are fine. But Bungie is essentially seeing how little content they can give players and still have them buy things. It's a terrible practice and one that should be unanimously condemned.
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I wish I had a link to my thread from the first couple of weeks of d1 where I defined destiny as the Pokemon of fps cause the goal was you had to catch them all. Your point is good and valid but here's the thing all collectors realize to complete a collection you have to be realistic. If you can't keep up with eververse then don't collect eververse. No one should be outraged about not being able to fill want only a need.
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Edited by burritosenior: 12/22/2017 11:05:35 PMMate, it sounds like both you're saying nobody should complain about something if it isn't directly related to food, water, oxygen, or shelter, and also that nobody should complain about how things are because thats how things are. And that seems incredibly off to me.
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No I'm saying outrage is too much emotional energy for somebody to spend on something that doesn't matter that much. I think most of the people on these forums would have a better life if they weren't so easily upset.
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[quote]No I'm saying outrage is too much emotional energy for somebody to spend on something that doesn't matter that much. I think most of the people on these forums would have a better life if they weren't so easily upset.[/quote]You're on a video game forum. People are complaining about the video game. There's always something 'better.' That doesn't mean people shouldn't complain. It's along the same lines of people shouldn't be upset about... I dunno... net neutrality when there is child slavery going on in the world. They're unrelated things. People can be upset about as much as they want. And when their time and money is involved, they have every right to be. If you don't value their complaints that's fine. But it doesn't make them any less valuable to those people. Of which there are thousands.
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Complaining and outrage are not the same. I can complain because of a skin irritation, but if I was outraged by it that would be really silly.
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Ah, I see. You're arguing more semantics than the point then I suppose.
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My other posts weren't really arguing semantics, just trying to clarify my point. Complaining that micro-transactions make the game less enjoyable is one thing, demanding change because micro-transactions just make you and others so angry is another. Mostly I'm trying to encourage people to take their emotions out of it. Think rationally. If a company loses a revenew source they will find another way to make it up. Do you think that way will really be better than micro transactions?
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[quote]My other posts weren't really arguing semantics, just trying to clarify my point. Complaining that micro-transactions make the game less enjoyable is one thing, demanding change because micro-transactions just make you and others so angry is another.[/quote]People are demanding changes because they make the game less enjoyable. [quote] Mostly I'm trying to encourage people to take their emotions out of it. Think rationally. If a company loses a revenew source they will find another way to make it up. Do you think that way will really be better than micro transactions?[/quote]People aren't opposing Micro Transactions. They're opposing how Micro Transactions are being handled.
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There are at least 20 threads right now entitled remove eververse. So the communities motivation may be just but their demand is not the solution. If more threads we're encouraging people not to spend money on eververse because the drop rates are too low to be worth trying that would be a demand that is rational and fits the motivation
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[quote]There are at least 20 threads right now entitled remove eververse. So the communities motivation may be just but their demand is not the solution. If more threads we're encouraging people not to spend money on eververse because the drop rates are too low to be worth trying that would be a demand that is rational and fits the motivation[/quote]People want an immediate solution to what really is a serious problem in the game. Posts saying to remove the issue sends a clear message to Bungie. It's not really that unreasonable, and it seems a little petty to demand people post nuanced explanations that probably conflict when it's really the message behind the complaint that actually matters.
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Except that you don’t have to pay for anything nor does collecting everything make you better than any other player.
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[quote]Except that you don’t have to pay for anything nor does collecting everything make you better than any other player.[/quote] If you realistically want all the content, you have to pay. And whether or not it makes you better than another player has zero relevance to anything I said, friend.
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What’s the point in having every piece of content in the game when you’re really only using a small fraction of it? It’s meaningless.
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[quote]What’s the point in having every piece of content in the game when you’re really only using a small fraction of it? It’s meaningless.[/quote] What's the point in collecting baseball cards, old games, coins, etc. if you're just going to keep them locked up?
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You can’t put stock in a digital collection of pixels versus a physical, tangible collection of priceless memorabilia. It just doesn’t work that way. People spend years buying and building collections. Guardians can spend maybe a few weeks getting what they want and then throw it all away for whatever’s new and shiny.
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Edited by burritosenior: 12/22/2017 7:13:33 PM[quote]You can’t put stock in a digital collection of pixels versus a physical, tangible collection of priceless memorabilia. It just doesn’t work that way. People spend years buying and building collections. Guardians can spend maybe a few weeks getting what they want and then throw it all away for whatever’s new and shiny.[/quote] A person can put stock into whatever they find valuable. And this game is about collecting so your argument not only flies in the face of the thousands to millions of players that disagree with you, but also to the developers themselves whose words AND actions support the opposite conclusion that you have provided. The duration of time it takes to acquire a collection does not mean something isn't a collection. That's an argument without merit.
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That's defeating the purpose of the game
