Well, good thing PvE won’t be negatively impacted by all this... ...oh, wait...

[quote]On the PvP side: TLW? Deserved it. LoW? Deserved it. High-Impact Fusions? Deserved it. Backup Plan? Deserved it. Shotguns? Deserved it. Rapid-Fire Snipers? Deserved it. Adaptive Snipers? Eh, mixed on it. Aggressives being the only class to OHK Supers is neat but Revoker might end up an issue down the line. They're nerfing things that took half a brain to use which is great. All this low skill floor garbage was ruining the already poor PvP experience. [spoiler]Don't forget about Contraverse Hold please Bungie.[/spoiler][/quote]

Yup it was the only gun I could flickshot a dodging arcstrider, so no wonder it'll skyrocket. And what happens next? Boom, Revoker nerf. This is how they balance people.

High impact kinetic sniper with snapshot, 100% ensured mulligan and 35 zoom points, it's the best sniper in the kinetic class tbh and i can pair it with NF, Kindled orchid or Waking Vigil.

Well considering Trials is on the horizon Revoker usage will probably skyrocket.

Cause they know trials is coming so they got make pvp less toxic before it arrives

Here’s the thing, LoW is only an issue on pc, and they nerfed it on all platforms. And here’s the kicker, they specifically nerfed last words recoil on pc. Why wouldn’t they do that for lord of wolves? Nobody uses it on console. Last word needed a nerf, but they nerfed the actual skillful part. I think they should have just nerfed it’s range flat out and left it at that. High impact fusions didn’t deserve what they got. There are only 2 problem children in that archetype, and the main reason why they were so dominant was because of backup plans. Backup plans change is completely justified, but it’s one of the only thing making high impact fusions strong. The main issue, erintil, hasn’t even been that used or has that many kills across all platforms. They should have just nerfed erintil and backup and it would have been fine. Shotguns got lucky as crap, because they were made more consistent but lost range from aiming down sights. It wasn’t even a nerf, it was just a change. So you’re now more likely to hit pellets but aiming down sights won’t reach as far if you were lucky. So it can be seen that perhaps the change is more of a buff because you’re more likely to hit all pellets, basically nullifying the damage lost due to range falloff or even exceed it. With snipers, like, why? People only ever used adaptives in pve, so why did the other ones get shanked? I really don’t see why rapids or high impacts got nerfed in pve because they are pretty bad there, just because for rapids it’s: hard to get optimal dps, less range than other frames-> less aim assist, not that much higher dps than adaptives, lower total damage, and not that many good pve perks. High impacts it’s the opposite, where the damage causes too much over kill, so you waste total damage, less reserves, inconsistent stats, really low dps and no great pve perks. The only real reason why people use snipers in pve is because of boss stomp and most bosses are basically built for snipers, just look at the raid bosses. It is literally impossible to use shotguns and fusions in garden bosses (yes both bosses, if you don’t believe me try), and tube nade launchers are just garbage in general for pve ( with the exception of one particular launcher). Honestly, if there was any sniper that needed to be nerfed, it would be revoker. It is a huge problem in crucible, with the second highest usage and one of the top 3 kill %s of any weapon (when I last checked). With izanagi, it was only dominant because of the catalyst, so they could have just nerfed that to fix it. But instead they removed one of the perks that made it good for pve and just flat out removed it’s ability to be affected by reload modifiers along with other stuff. It was a pve gun and they replaced a pve perk with a pvp one. Honestly it just seems like they didn’t think about any of these changes at all, considering the state of the game.

Amen

It's mixed, some weapons and in a major part the p2p system is ruining the experience.

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You get a upvote. I agree with everything you said

Yeah but I'm not liking reduced damage on aggressive frame snipers against majors and bosses that is gross.

Couldn’t have said it better. Pve scrubs are mad because they actually need to put out damage instead of depending on cheap noobish guns.

To put it short: Aggressive Frame GL nerf is fine. Izanagi's Burden nerfs are fine. Blanket Grenade Launcher nerf is bad. Blanket Sniper Rifle nerf is bad.

Yeah, the Sniper Rifle nerfs are a shame for PvE. I get they're doing it to try to push people towards using other Special weapons..but boss stomps exist and it's just dumb to try to use anything else but a Sniper in certain content.

It’s nice to see someone with a brain in these forums understand the changes haha I love reading all the comments of people complaining they can’t double body and backup plan their way out of every engagement