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[quote]We now learned that God intended for sex to be between a husband and his wife.[/quote]
>Conveniently ignoring that gay people exist
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Ikr, and the funniest thing is if you point anything else out in the Old Testament they will then say that they don't follow that anymore
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It's part of Jesus's teachings as well meaning it does still remain relevant. It's like a prime number. All prime numbers are odd numbers, but not all odd numbers are prime. Jesus's teaching derive from Old Testament laws, but not all Old Testament laws are brought up by Jesus because they weren't needed since Jesus came as a savior.
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Here's what I don't understand - you guys keep saying stuff like 'that's old testament, we don't need to listen to that stuff' so remind me again, are the parts about homosexuality in the old or new testament? So basically only the parts you pick and choose are relevant?
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No. The first 5 books of the Bible are called "The Tora", the Jewish commandment laws. A lot of the stories (Adam and Eve, Moses and Jonah) are real stories that we look up to and respect. The laws set in these books though were given to the JEWS at a different time. I am not Jewish, the Catholic religion is not a Jewish religion, the Protestant religion is not a Jewish religion, therefore these laws don't all apply in those religions. That's what I believe and that's what the majority of Christians believe. Either way since Jesus came and died, we believe that all who believe will not die and have eternal life. That's why. I hope that makes sense.
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[quote][quote]Nowhere in the Bible does it say not to mix fabrics[/quote] Deuteronomy 22 Various Laws 10You shall not plow with an ox and a donkey together. 11You shall not wear cloth of wool and linen mixed together.[/quote] This is, again, the Old Testament law. The purpose of which was to set apart the Israelites, God's chosen people, from the rest of the nations. Now that Jesus has come, we don't have to do these things anymore because she sets us apart. Not clothes or what we eat
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Ok but he didn't say 'nowhere in the new testament does it say that', what they said was 'nowhere in the Bible does it say that'
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Modifié par TitoTastic : 1/21/2017 10:33:25 AM[quote]Ok but he didn't say 'nowhere in the new testament does it say that', what they said was 'nowhere in the Bible does it say that'[/quote] Yes, and that was a mistake in my part. I should have checked my facts first. But the thing is, I've still proven my point, but you haven't proven yours yet. You've decided to start trying to find flaws in my argument instead of proving your own. Evidence being that you started your post with "ok, but"
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Modifié par Catty_Wampus22 : 1/21/2017 11:06:11 AMLol if you say so. People asked why being gay was wrong. The response was the bible says so. It was brought up it also says these things are wrong.....yes but that's the old testament.....but so are the parts about sodomy (which includes oral sex, btw) Then you make a statement, I prove you wrong and you say 'no, I worded my statement wrong so I'm right' lol I'd say I made my point
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[quote]Lol if you say so. People asked why being gay was wrong. The response was the bible says so. It was brought up it also says these things are wrong.....yes but that's the old testament.....but so are the parts about sodomy (which includes oral sex, btw) Then you make a statement, I prove you wrong and you say 'no, I worded my statement wrong so I'm right' lol I'd say I made my point[/quote] I did not say that the reason I'm right is I worded my statement wrong. I admitted that my statement was wrong and then said something else correcting my false statement.
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[quote]Yeah but isn't that the same chapter (? I don't know. Is it chapter?) that says not to mix fabrics? Well I got bad news, bucko, if you've ever worn polyester there might be a spot in the underworld. reserved.[/quote] It's also a sin to eat pork and shellfish. But lucky enough the bible says if you -blam!- an unbetrothed virgin all you have to do is payer dad 50 shekels of silver and marry her.
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You're thinking of the Old Testament, which, while moral lesson me can still be learned, its rituals, such as not eating pork, do not have to be followed because Jesus came to fulfill the promises of the Old Testament
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But aren't the parts about sodomy and marriage in the old testament as well?
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[quote]But aren't the parts about sodomy and marriage in the old testament as well?[/quote] Yes, but they are different. The pork and shellfish thing was for the Jews, but Jesus relieved that law. He still talks about marriage in the New Testament. Making it valid for our day and age. “Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.” Hebrews 13:4 ESV
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So basically the way I see it, is that Christians choose to only follow bits and pieces of the Bible. These people make my head hurt, seriously. "It's a sin to not follow God's word" *Doesn't follow God's word*
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[quote]So basically the way I see it, is that Christians choose to only follow bits and pieces of the Bible. These people make my head hurt, seriously. "It's a sin to not follow God's word" *Doesn't follow God's word*[/quote] Let me ask you something. Do you consider it wrong to lie? You probably do, but I can bet that you can remember a time in the last week when you lied. The reason Christians don't follow God's word isn't because we are choosing which parts of the Bible to believe, it's because it's impossible to perfectly follow Gods Word. It is a sin to not follow Gods word, but we still do it, because humans aren't perfect, but God is, and the best thing we can do on this earth is strive for a relationship with Him.
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Actually, I consider lying to sometimes be beneficial. Like "They're in a better place now", or "No, they didn't say that about you". You pick and choose what to follow, yet you preach do not sin. Your whole religion is a fallacy based upon greedy old men and a magical being, and only those with a brain in the mindset of "I must be ruled and dominated" follow. You are sheep. No denying. Your book preaches love and understanding, yet you wage wars over your god? This goes directly against what the Bible states. You only use the Bible to further your own agenda, and the hypocrisy in that thing is off the charts. Do not respond to me, as I will no longer partake in such a thoughtless discussion with those who refuse to believe the truth.
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God is everything and we're made in his image. God is ONLY a white man and women weren't thought of until Adam needed someone to do stuff for him.
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[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]We now learned that God intended for sex to be between a husband and his wife.[/quote] >Conveniently ignoring that gay people exist[/quote] He wasn't denying they exist, he was saying that marriage is intended for a man and a woman. Gay marriage is just an example of how sinful and corrupt the human race has become. Also, I know this is a good point so I won't get a response[/quote] Why is gay marriage sinful? It's no more sinful than hetero marriage.[/quote] Gay marriage is sinful in the Christian belief because it is a direct violation to how God intended marriage. God said in Genesis that a Marriage should be between one man and one woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.[/quote] "Because God said so"? Don't you ever question why?
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[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]We now learned that God intended for sex to be between a husband and his wife.[/quote] >Conveniently ignoring that gay people exist[/quote] He wasn't denying they exist, he was saying that marriage is intended for a man and a woman. Gay marriage is just an example of how sinful and corrupt the human race has become. Also, I know this is a good point so I won't get a response[/quote] Why is gay marriage sinful? It's no more sinful than hetero marriage.[/quote] Gay marriage is sinful in the Christian belief because it is a direct violation to how God intended marriage. God said in Genesis that a Marriage should be between one man and one woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.[/quote] "Because God said so"? Don't you ever question why?[/quote] No, because I have faith in God that his judgment and knowledge are higher than ours. But let's look at it from a scientific perspective. Is there any benefit to homosexuality? Homosexuals can't breed naturally, and humans are the only species that are able to exhibit homosexual traits? Do you ever ask yourself why that is?
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[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]We now learned that God intended for sex to be between a husband and his wife.[/quote] >Conveniently ignoring that gay people exist[/quote] He wasn't denying they exist, he was saying that marriage is intended for a man and a woman. Gay marriage is just an example of how sinful and corrupt the human race has become. Also, I know this is a good point so I won't get a response[/quote] Why is gay marriage sinful? It's no more sinful than hetero marriage.[/quote] Gay marriage is sinful in the Christian belief because it is a direct violation to how God intended marriage. God said in Genesis that a Marriage should be between one man and one woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.[/quote] "Because God said so"? Don't you ever question why?[/quote] No, because I have faith in God that his judgment and knowledge are higher than ours. But let's look at it from a scientific perspective. Is there any benefit to homosexuality? Homosexuals can't breed naturally, and humans are the only species that are able to exhibit homosexual traits? Do you ever ask yourself why that is?[/quote] Many animals in the wild do homosexual things.
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[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]We now learned that God intended for sex to be between a husband and his wife.[/quote] >Conveniently ignoring that gay people exist[/quote] He wasn't denying they exist, he was saying that marriage is intended for a man and a woman. Gay marriage is just an example of how sinful and corrupt the human race has become. Also, I know this is a good point so I won't get a response[/quote] Why is gay marriage sinful? It's no more sinful than hetero marriage.[/quote] Gay marriage is sinful in the Christian belief because it is a direct violation to how God intended marriage. God said in Genesis that a Marriage should be between one man and one woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.[/quote] "Because God said so"? Don't you ever question why?[/quote] No, because I have faith in God that his judgment and knowledge are higher than ours. But let's look at it from a scientific perspective. Is there any benefit to homosexuality? Homosexuals can't breed naturally, and humans are the only species that are able to exhibit homosexual traits? Do you ever ask yourself why that is?[/quote] Homosexuals aren't sterile, they can have children just not with each other.
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[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]We now learned that God intended for sex to be between a husband and his wife.[/quote] >Conveniently ignoring that gay people exist[/quote] He wasn't denying they exist, he was saying that marriage is intended for a man and a woman. Gay marriage is just an example of how sinful and corrupt the human race has become. Also, I know this is a good point so I won't get a response[/quote] Why is gay marriage sinful? It's no more sinful than hetero marriage.[/quote] Gay marriage is sinful in the Christian belief because it is a direct violation to how God intended marriage. God said in Genesis that a Marriage should be between one man and one woman. Not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.[/quote] "Because God said so"? Don't you ever question why?[/quote] No, because I have faith in God that his judgment and knowledge are higher than ours. But let's look at it from a scientific perspective. Is there any benefit to homosexuality? Homosexuals can't breed naturally, and humans are the only species that are able to exhibit homosexual traits? Do you ever ask yourself why that is?[/quote] Homosexuals aren't sterile, they can have children just not with each other.[/quote] I wasn't saying they were sterile, I was pointing out that two homosexuals cannot have a child together without adoption or artificial insemenation.
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I knew someone would fine a way to ignite a gay war
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Just because he wasn't talking about then doesn't mean he doest think they don't exist.
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How about we switch gay people for you and ignore that you exist?
