[quote] You claimed the Gardener made the law of paracausality, which is what the character of the Winnower objects to in the story. I challenged that and explained that the proposed law wasn’t paracausality, but the Light, a power that awards those who allow for complexity. Which is what the Winnower challenges. Forms of paracausality like the Ahamkara arise because of this sudden bending of the rules. [/quote] I thought you said Light was a bolt of lighting flying across the sky…. Whose that rewarding for complexity? Zeus? Kratos? 🤣 Oh…it was just accidental! Sheer coincidence that all the other forms of paracausal power appeared when “only” Light was made. I mean, it had nothing to do with a law being made to allow them… Has nothing to do with ONTOLOGY, the rules that define existence. For paracausal power to exist at all, a law must be made to allow it. Like everything else. What sets the laws of physics? Of cosmic evolution? Biological evolution? Thus the Law allowing Light allowed for other forms to manifest. What rules? What bending? She made a law, separate from the others. What bent? I don’t see it in the book. Did you make that up? So if no rules were bent, only a new one being made, then where they come from? But anyway… So the rules bent? Just a little? You saw the operators manual so you know how they handle under stress and what happens when they bend a little? Kinda sounds suspect if you ask me…wonder why… Oh wait… [quote] Which doesn’t even matter because Unveiling isn’t literal and it’s not an accurate origin of the universe[/quote] If it’s not literal or accurate then why are you using it as an accurate and literal source of evidence to prove a claim? Which I’m led to believe is contradictory at best and hypocritical at second best and down right intentionally deceitful at worst. To use self-admitted unreliable information to prove your [i]stated[/i] claim? When in fact what you’re actually trying to do is use this particular segment as evidence for a larger debate about how you think the Witness makes sense in his reasoning to justify the genocide of the cosmos. 🤣 Also, just to point out, if a Creator entity makes itself into a law, that actually is making paracausality into a law. Creator entities don’t follow cause and effect laws. They decide what is and isn’t, they can bend and break any rule even after it’s made. Therefore turning that power into into a law is…introducing the capability to bend the laws. Which is what paracausality is… You tried reducing an entity that can make laws into a “reward”. Big brain stuff you’re pulling here.

Who's out here peddling bullcrap about the Darkness not being paracasual? What else would it be??? It's a magic power system thingy! Lasombra, you got to catch me up here! Don't tell me the peddler's Shocky! Has he finally gone off the deep end????

And right after I defended them… My faith in humanity is shaken! Haha, kinda funny I drove them into the deep end like that. Probably over the Vault stuff 🤣