[b][i][u]to all you people who don't have a Titan trying to tell me you can't blind crota shut up make a Titan then tell me you can't The flash bang blinds them The suppressor grenades don't let ogres shoot I believe crota can't summon his oversoul The "suppressor grenades and flashbangs don't work" posts are getting annoying they do work make a Titan and see for yourself or learn to throw your grenades scrubs[/u][/i][/b] Further more the bubble thing occasionally glitches and crota WILL get blinded it won't happen 100% of the Time it took my team about 10-15 minutes of wiping to see if it would work and eventually it blinded him I don't know if it was due to lag or just a glitch but it happens The cheese is pushing crota off I'll find a way to show you guys the solar wind cheese (: I can't post it on the forums because the bungie suck ups will report it again because they think they're better than everyone else when they are the same people who won't do crota on hard with a single 31 or without everyone having ghallarhorn I carried 3 level 30's on hard I don't need the cheese because obviously I'm better than you who can't carry a single 31 or need a full team of ghallrhorn a to beat crota There are people who just can't get it done because they aren't try hards like you and me, so I'll post my Instagram and there will be a link in the bio showing you guys how to do the solar wind cheese And they can't ban us because unlike the forever kneel we aren't tampering with anything we are simply using the games mechanics against itself 1. 2 warlocks with solar wind 2. A Titan with helm of saint 14 You need to drop the bubble on crota (it's a trial and error thing) it'll blind him The warlocks with solar wind smack him Solar wind pushes enemies away from you, you hit him until you manage to push him off The more warlocks the better, solar grenades also help making him move back This took me a while to figure out and much like the hunter blink striking crota it's not really cheese (: we are using our skill tree to beat the raid [i][u]story of why I like cheesing[/u][/i] I was a 23 in the earlier days and I couldn't find a team to take me into the vault of glass I found a group of girls on the forums who invited me and carried me They laughed and thought it was adorable when i kept complaining that I couldn't shoot the Templar, when I tried to knock him off, when I tried to push atheon off Did they kick me? No they explained it a to me and baby sat me when I held the relic for the first time one of them would follow me in case I died with it, they showed me the ropes and even took me Into the hard raid later on when I got more light. I learned how to solo the confluxes and I have added to their tactic for that by adding the dragons breath and solar grenades to the method. They taught me quite a bit about the game, the reason people cheese is because all you elitists think you're too good and won't help them out. That's why I cheesed but stopped after they showed me how to do it. Maybe you elitists should start showing people how to do it legit as opposed to kicking them then complaining when they cheese. If anyone needs any help I'm on 360. Without them I wouldn't be the person you can goto that will gladly carry you through a nightfall or raid And I've noticed most elitists can't run a raid on hard without all 32's and all ghallarhorns If you can't carry 3 people you guys aren't that good, if you can't carry 2 get good, if you can't carry 1 person you're a scrub. I carried 3 30's in crota on hard and we beat it with 3 total wipes technically two because crota chased my ass off the platform.