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Editado por PacMonster1: 1/4/2015 10:45:13 AM
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Seriously Bungie, We Need To Talk About this DLC Thing

So, I've complained about Destiny a lot (see [url]http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2kv57y/a_complete_destiny_deconstruction_part_1/[/url] for most of it), but I've still played it almost daily. Not out of some bizarre self-hating torture, and not because I'm genuinely having fun. Destiny has sort of become my "I need to kill 2-3 hours before falling asleep, so let's do some mindless repetitive activity) game. Anyway, onto my point, out of my extreme disdain for the majority of design decisions that went into the game and the sad quality of the DLC, I decided not to pay for the DLC. Now, you'd think the smart thing to do, and a thing Bungie has done in the past with their Halo games DLC is to keep new content separated from old content. If people want to get the latest greatest stuff, good for them. Their enjoyment should not hinder my "enjoyment" of my vanilla experience that I paid full price for (and have yet to feel compensated for). But since the DLC has come out there have been multiple weekly strike/nightfalls and daily story missions locked off to me and everybody else who needs those to get resources to level up the grindtacular stuff you have provided us. I grin and bear it because while that pisses me off that Bungie couldn't have added extra slots to their UI to accommodate DLC activities without locking off normal stuff for people who didn't buy the DLC, I at least acknowledge that maybe that's work they just don't want to do. So, we get to today, Friday. Xur Day. Now, I have never been all that pleased with Xur's random selection of mostly meh exotics but it was worth a look and I would occasionally get something I didn't have just for the sake of it. What do I see when I check him out today? Every single item he is selling requires The Dark Below. You put Dark Below exotics into his apparently extremely limited loot table [b]FOR THE F'IN VANILLA PEOPLE[/b]. I really, really, really try to defend you guys whenever I see "they just care about money" posts. I argue, it's all Activision's fault. But then I see this crap which has nothing to do with Activision. Everything in this f'in game takes forever to do and making every single item Xur sells The Dark Below required making Xur pointless for the week is a real low blow. I'm just speechless at the ineptitude of it. Why can't the game tell I don't have the DLC and adjust Xur's loot table accordingly? There is just not nearly enough content in this game to be locking off what little there is to do in the game behind a paywall. Bravo Bungie, every week you give me another thing to rant about, it's amazing. [b]Edit[/b]: To what I'm sure is every third person who's going to comment in this thread. No, I am not going to just "buy the DLC". That isn't the point of the rant. It could be free and it wouldn't change the point of this post. [b]Edit2:[/b] There's a frightening amount of people apparently not reading this post very well or understanding the point of it. The point isn't that I'm not able to play DLC content. The point is the DLC content shouldn't be replacing content that previously was available. It should be adding to it and self-aware of who owns it to switch between old and new when appropriate. This isn't a hard concept, this is how 99% of other games handle DLC. [b]Edit3:[/b] I want everybody who says "just buy it" or "stop crying" or whatever other justification you think of to consider something. My entire point here is to implement the DLC in such a way that people who paid for it get full access to that stuff [b]and[/b] the original content. For people who didn't pay for the DLC FOR WHATEVER REASON (either they didn't want to, weren't able to, whatever) they should have the same full access to the content they paid for. This suggestion leads to an improved experience for everybody. To the people who own DLC, NOTHING WOULD CHANGE FOR YOU. To the people who don't own it they simply just wouldn't be presented that content. I get that to a lot of people this isn't a problem to you so you don't care. Try out a neat concept called empathy. It simply amazes me how many people are arguing against a solution that doesn't affect them in the slightest but improves the experience for others. Really paints a nice picture of how many people with bad personalities there are. [b]Edit4[/b]: [quote]That conversation is already raging internally, as it always does. In the meantime, the existing plan is in place to make sure that, as consumers of The Dark Below start to become even legendier, [b]those who don’t opt in aren’t left behind. We’re making these options available to everyone, whether they own Expansion I or not[/b].[/quote] - Destiny Update 12/4/14 I wanted to point out this statement from DeeJ. It was in reference to the patch adding content before The Dark Below was released but I feel the sentiment behind it also was meant to apply to all content including DLC content. "Those who don't opt in, aren't left behind". [b]Edit5[/b]: I just wanted to thank all the people who own the DLC and still shared their belief that this system is wrong. It's nice knowing that even though they don't have to deal with this problem (at least right now anyway, the problem will most likely exist over all the DLCs) they still empathize with the people that do. Kudos to all of you.

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  • I hope they fix this.

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  • So you spent 50 bucks for something , when you decide to not pay for additional content, they lock you out of contents you paid for already on some days or weeks. Why don't you sue them?

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    • It doesn't matter that Xur is only selling DB exotics. You by now doubtless have your favourite Vanilla exotics, and should be endeavouring to upgrade them and stay competitive. For the people who have moved on to DB though, we only have the usual sources of drops & Xur for the new exotics, so if Xur wasn't selling them then there would be far fewer of them getting upgraded. Considering that this is the period in which everyone is trying to get the best kit for the next stage of the CE raid this seems fair to me. What the vanilla only crowd seem to lose sight of is that the reduction in access that you suffer is only temporary. The Nightfall [b]will[/b] rotate back to Vanilla. Xur will once again sell only Armamentarium, Sunbreakers, & Achylyoyoyoyophage Symbiote & Plan C for weeks on end. At which point I expect hordes of DB players to be whining about how they paid [i]extra[/i] and they can't even access the content. Having a separate black market exotic merchant for DB would have made overall access to exotic kit OP for DB players Having a separate vanilla and DB Nightfall & Heroic would have made access to these game modes OP for DB players. Imagine with a 3rd DLC and season pass holders have access to [b]3[/b] Exotic merchants per week, with a potential of doing [b]9[/b] Heroics and [b]9[/b] Nightfalls a week..... Now that would cause uproar. In fact I am almost tempted to believe that some of the people who want separation of access points secretly fantasise about this OP setup and the massive boost of mats, engrams & coins they could get....

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      • Editado por Torus: 1/7/2015 1:49:16 PM
        So what about all the people that did buy the DLC and were begging for xur to sell some of those new exotic they cant seem to get? You didn't buy the DLC it's your fault.

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        • Totally agree with OP. Fck this game.

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          • Just find another game if you don't like destiny. Why are you still playing?

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            • What it comes down to is this... Buy the -blam!-ing DLC if you play enough to complain that it's preventing you from enjoying the game. I don't understand anyone when they say that they need to "grind" all this non DLC and non raid gear LOL you literally buy the gear one time from a VENDOR in the tower and than you maybe turn in bounties to level the gear for 2-3 days and boom you're done leveling up you're character to the highest level it can be without raiding. Congratulations everyone, you just accomplished the hardest "grind" of your life.. People are so annoying.

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              • Entitlement at its finest. OP has played for ~226 hours on a ~$60 game (not quite 4 hours per $1) and states "I paid full price for (and have yet to feel compensated for)" then goes on to complain about content from a $17.50 - $20 expansion being included in the rotation of certain activities/events. Does it suck that people who choose not to buy the DLC have to sit out some days/weeks on certain activities? - Sure. Could Bungie have gone the route that the OP suggests with keeping the DLC content separate from Xur/Weekly/NF? - Possibly, depends on whether or not that was an in house decision or a directive from Activision. Will any amount of these crying posts change the system they have in place? - Not likely. Can the OP and any other individual in a similar set of circumstances very easily solve the perceived problem on their end? - You betcha. Can we all stop with all of the posts that consist of wailing and gnashing of teeth over an issue that likely isn't going to change? - Yes, but it probably won't happen.

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                • -blam!- the non dlc owners I do not feel bad for you guys in the slightest way. If your to cheap to buy it get the -blam!- out if you can't afford it stop setting on ur asses playing games. Nobody cares the only people that see your point is the people who didn't buy it but guess what 80% of the people bought the dlc and we don't give a -blam!- about you

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                  • You should really talk to Blizzard with World of WarCraft

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                  • *Reads that OP doesn't like the game and only plays it to kill time yet complains that he can't buy stuff from xur. *Reads that OP doesn't feel compensated for his purchase yet has 240 hours in it. *Realizes that OP must be somewhat slow and feels bad for him...

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                    • People suffering violence, torture and persecution all over the world, but this guy thinks we should feel his pain because he won't buy the DLC on principle. I'll try and contact a few churches around the world, see if we can get people to say a few prayers to ease your suffering, we're with you Bro. Lmao.

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                      • You do realize this same ideal also happened in Halo? I remember at times when DLC hit some of my favorite game modes couldnt be played for a time without DLC.

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                      • Wait so you are telling me you can buy the 70$ game, but 3 months later you won't buy the 20$ dlc?

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                        • Editado por Kump N Pump: 1/5/2015 12:59:12 AM
                          I completely agree 100%. It's not about the DLC, it's about the shoddy business practices being put forth here.. I can see by some of these comments that a lot of people can NOT see that. Well, I say to those people... Take a look at the Destiny logo for a second, .. do you see the shaft? Do you see the balls? Wake up! You have a giant dick in your ass in the shape of a Destiny logo!! 20-30 bucks is ridiculously expensive for the content you were given... Content that was already on the disc you already paid for. But you know what. Thats ok. Whatever. I'm not gonna judge you if you like to have Bungie's dick in your ass when you play Destiny. For all the players that didn't buy into this DLC content, we still expect to be able to play the game with all the features that were originally advertised that we originally paid for. This is not a far fetched concept. It is only a fair and honest way of doing business. Would you not be a little disheartened if you bought a dvd or an album and one day you went to watch/listen to it again and suddenly found that you could not access all the songs or watch the entire movie anymore without paying extra? If the smart phone you bought suddenly wouldn't send emails or access the internet that week because you didn't buy the dlc? If you played Super Mario and suddenly found that Nintendo took away all the mushrooms and you couldn't go down the pipe into the next level? My point is, I paid 70 dollars for this game. A game that was clearly not finished and parts of it were already cut that were advertised in trailers. That's fine. I can deal with that. I was aware of that when I bought it. But then to take features away from the game (that I paid 70 dollars for) and then make them exclusive only to people who paid Bungie extra.. Is the definition of criminal. NOTE: *I don't care if "Every game does this"... it doesn't make it right, it makes this situation even worse. *I don't care if you don't care.... -blam!- you. *I don't care if "I'm too cheap to buy DLC"... That's clearly not the point and you are a braindead idiot if you can't see past that. This issue is about the shoddy, shabby, greedy business practices of Bungie/Activision and it's sneaky, dishonest approach to try and entice players to throw more money at them. But most of all this is about paying full price for the features of a product and then the company you bought that product from slowly taking away it's features. Features you paid for. It is theft plain and simple, and if it were any other kind of entertainment you would be outraged. But I feel that gamers have seen so much of this dishonest bullshit come and go throughout the years, that they've just given in. Most don't even notice anymore and consider it normal practice. You are letting yourself get -blam!-ed in the ass. And some of you don't even feel the penetration anymore... That's a sad sad day for gamers everywhere.

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                          • [b]99% other games do it[/b]. Have you thought maybe this is how bungie and activision have chosen to run DLC's in this game? [b]This system is wrong.[/b] Nothing is wrong with the system. This is just the structure that "they" decided on. Is it scummy? Is it unethical, maybe. At the end of the day they made the decision to make it this way. We may not like it, but it is what it is. Either get with it or quit. People should realize by now that if you decide to not follow the DLC ( there are 3 more coming after HoW) you might as well stop playing. Why continue? Progression will be limited aswell as content. Again, I do not agree with how the game is done in terms of the content but I do look forward to the DLC's because it adds a little bit more to do. If you think the price for the DLC is bad value, I must say you are incorrect. How can the value not be worth it? You pay $10 ( example ) at the movies to watch 1:30 - 3 hrs of content. I for one have spent tons of hours with the DLC and Destiny in general. Content wise the quantity might not be there but value in hours is.

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                            • Love the game and the expansion.The only thing that annoys me is the leveling system used. It just makes it seem as if they never thought about how it was going to work and just rushed things.

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                            • Good post very understandable. Wouldn't even reply to the people being negative. Feel bad for the people just starting who are going through the same situation. They speak of welcoming the new players but limit what they can get til the DLC is bought. It's only a small amount of limited stuff but it is limited. Kinda like a free to play game that you paid $60 for lol.

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                              • I have the DLC, and I agree it's kinda wrong what they're doing. It seems like they are implementing it that way to push you into buying it. Not much we can do about it tho

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                              • They can't have xur sell DLC exotics and normal exotics every week because his inventory would be massive that's the whole point he brings a few selected items with him he can't do both or the game would become pointless really fast.

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                                I hate to say I agree but I do, while I think everyone should get the DLC, it's pretty lame they are really driving the point that they want your $20 bucks

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                                Wow. That was long. Did you say anything new, or just the same old dlc complaints?

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                                • Oh well, just buy it or stop crying already!! I know it's not your point but you're still crying about it. Either buy it & shut up or just stfu & stop posting these threads that thousands of ppl already posted & rant about.

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                                  • For free? the game wasn't free jackasses.. Now you are taking away elements of the original content that we paid for?? Its true that dlc owners should get the updated gear and raids, but to does who din't buy the dlc: -blam!- em right?? I am starting out fresh on a new account and you people think that it was hard to level up the guardian to lv 30 in the past? Now it is a joke, you cant do the weekly nor buy from xur?? i know that it is this week only, but what happens after next week?? Right now i am a lv 23 warlock, in other words::: I SHOULD NO -blam!-ING NEED THE -blam!-ING DLC!! The dlc is meant to expand the game for players that reached the lv cap and want more.. Now eaht happens to players that aren't level capped? -blam!- em right?? I guess i can still do the -blam!-ing daily , and praise to jesus that i get an exotic in tiger... This is not to expand the game.. this is to make a -blam!-ing pay wall all over the community. Yes i guess its my fault for not buying, 1/3 of the game. Destiny has to learn from other games like DCU, when i get to a certain lv cap and i want more i have to buy a dlc in order to progress, raids, strikes, etc.. all fine and dandy, but what happens if i want to play a past strike or raid: WHATS THAT I CAN?? Ok then. Cause that encourages new players to start new and have the same experience as older players. In other words they THEY -blam!-ED UP! The issue here is not that i dont want to buy the dlc, the issue here is that you should have to buy a dlc only when theres is nothing more to do.. in my case there is almost shit to do now thanks to them..

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                                  • Editado por Alex_Supertramp1: 1/3/2015 6:35:57 AM
                                    To everyone telling this guy to stop crying and just buy the dlc I say this: As someone who has the DLC I think that locking xur and the nightfall/weeklies behind a paywall is an extremely dickish money grab move. I understand their need to turn a profit, especially since so much money has been invested in this game. But I think that strong arming people into buying DLC is a very shady practice. If people don't voice their dissent and show that this practice is not ok, then other companies will follow this model and feel confident that they can get away with it. I personally already dislike the direction many of the console gaming developers have been heading in recent years. We should not have to purchase DLC to feel like we have a full version of a game. We shouldn't be forced into microtransactions to feel like we can keep up with other players in a competitive online multiplayer game (i realize Destiny doesn't do this one). But, it seems to me that locking away activities that were previously available to everyone is a new low that Bungievision has developed. This is not ok. There is absolutely no reason they can't make a separate weekly playlist for DLC and non DLC owners alike. At the very least there is absolutely no reason that the DLC content shows up in the weekly as often as it does. Since the game began every strike on the game, minus playstation exclusive went into the weekly line up in order. Once they cycled through them all, the lineup began again. Even if they added DLC strikes to this list, they should only show up once per cycle. The fact that the DLC strike has shown up twice already before the completion of a full cycle is an obvious and despicable strong arm tactic. I own the DLC. I do not agree with this. There is no reason, short of laziness that they can't make a separate play list. The only other reason is a desperate strong arm money grab tactic, and that sets a very bad standard for the industry. If gamers support this and show that it is ok, we can expect to see a lot more developers doing this in the future. Not good!

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                                    • I think this is incredibly stupid on bungie's part. I, for one thing, can tell you that if destiny shipped without the daily, weekly, or nightfall there would be a thousand times more complaints and upset customers about not enough content. Just because were down the road a couple months after release does not mean this is okay. If destiny did release without those missions i would have returned the game. And no, those missions arent all destiny has to offer, but, it is almost 70-80% and even more when talking about aquiring gear, weapons, etc. Bungie, as we knew it, is no more.

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