I'm a 30 with full raid gear but I prefer the IB gauntlets over the raid ones. Both of which were extremely easy to get. People shouldn't hate on those with IB gear but honestly the raid gear takes more "skill" than IB

Here is a question for the masses. People claim that those with IB gear suck, noobs, etc. I'm not a 30, but I'm gettin there. I have only done the raid twice. I was given PaT the first time through and this last time I got VoC. I was a newb to it, but as I was told by the leader,"There is a set plan and strategy in place for every section because it has been done so much that it's mostly predictable, other than the teleporting." So this is my question, if the raid is so hard but everything is known regarding enemy spawning, weapon load outs, pathways and fighting methods, wouldn't it be safe to say that the people who run VoG are cheesing it regardless of how they play? You can't predict players movements in PvP entirely. They have minds of their own. Wouldn't playing against someone who can think and change tactics to respond to a situation prove to be the more difficult opponent over enemies with set patterns and spawn locations that have been played against over and over again with videos to educate? I am not a huge fan of PvP. I do it for the bounties and when I'm bored. I am currently starting to run raids when I can. I love the PvE of the game, but it's all mapped out and known what do,where to go and where to hide. I just think that it's funny how people can be jerks about caring where your armor came from. I don't try to attempt the hard raid, I'm still learning the normal, like I said I've only been through 2x. It's just funny to me how someone who plays against a computer that does the same thing every time can talk crap about someone who spent maybe a solid week worth of dealin with people who can think and change attacks based on the situation. Let's not forget all those lame ass suros babies!

I got to rank 5 with nothing more than Tempered and daily bounties, it's not difficult nor do I care. It's just a little bit insulting when you bust your ass every week doing HM to get your gear and then people are essentially 'given' 30 light gear to do the next raid.

I rejoice. I want everyone to be 30. So hopefully one day we will all have smooth hard raids with randoms.

I couldnt care less what gear you use. As long as your not the reason the raid is failing, you play the game how ever you like.

They fail to realize that IB gear 1.looks better, 2. Stats suit some playstyles better and 3. The perks help others more than raid gear. Seriously, who uses pulse rifles in raid? More use scout rifles. IB>raid gear even if you have raid. Lol

Winning in PVP? Really? They gave that stuff out to everyone, regardless of winning/losing. Just had to PVP for like a day for it. I don't usually comment on this IB vs Raid crap, but your argument is garbage. IB is like T-Ball, everyone gets a trophy for participation. At least the raid takes some level of skill to make it through. If IB was actually skill-based and you actually had to perform well to get rewarded, I think a lot less people would complain.

IB thirty isn't necessarily about 'being good' at Pvp. With the medallions, you only need to win one in six matches to level up. Sure it's a bit slower, but it's so much easier than doing VOG hard multiple times. You can simply grind your way to 30 with IB which to me is a bit cheap. I did IB with friends and we all made rank 3 after one 5-6 hour sitting. I stopped doing it after that because I got bored with it. But to me, it seemed a very cheap way of reaching max level. I think a better alternative would have been I add coins/tokens for every vog clear (1 coin for normal/2 for hard) then buy your gear from a vendor in the tower. Tldr; Vog HM clears with 29s is much harder than grinding out iron banner!

I prefer raid gear, that IB gear looks so damn good with the wolves, but I don't hate. Good, now the PvP people who only play crucible can achieve level 30. Btw I definitely for grinded that IB rank 5 for those damn good weapons, they are better then there raid counterparts, except for Timurs lash the handcannon and Jolders Hammer the heavy machine gun.

There you go solo templar back when i was lvl 27 or whatever with unmaxed weapons