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10/20/2014 8:49:09 PM
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I have something of a unique view on this change, that I hope DeeJ reads and takes seriously.
I'm a mute. So right off the bat, I have difficulty in team games; I can't relay information without stopping to type, which means they have to stop and read, so in general I don't in the middle of a game. My friends know this and they're used to it. Generally I let someone more experienced with what we're doing assign me a job and I execute it and I'd like to think I'm good at it. I was very worried about the Vault though, with all the claims made about its teamwork being so essential.
The other night, my group did the Vault. It was as hard as I thought it would be but a few of my team had done it before. I listened to their advice, did my job and after a few attempts we got into the groove and beat it. I was always outside during the fight with Atheon- I killed Supplicants, the group that went in would call out which portal to open and I'd supply a Weapon of Light bubble during Vengence. It worked pretty well.
Knowing that next time we go in, I could be randomly thrown into a role that not being able to speak could well get the whole team killed makes me VERY wary of ever trying that fight again.
I know its a bug. But if the bug works better than as intended, why not leave it? Can you really read this forum, see the overwhelming majority do not want this change, and still do it? That would be a mark of extreme immaturity, it not outright stupidity.
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I think this update hurts the PUGs than organized teams. From the way I see it, you've gamed with your close peers for a long time now and they should have the abilities to cover your areas. They also sound like they would be more than happy to teach you how to run the relic (if you're willing to run it). Everyone needs to know the part or at least be instructed to know the concept of the portal teams job. Half the fun is learning the other side. The other half is failing the raid immensely. But at least you learn something new.
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This is exactly the point I have been trying to make. If they keep doing these things to make the VoG even more ridiculous then I just won't mess with it. It's just sad that other than the obvious exploits (atheon) VoG was tough as nails yet still fun. If you need a good relic holder guide then I can send you one. As a matter of fact I found a rather large guide that goes from start to finish for VoG with a relic holder guide inside of it.
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But it is not a bug - this is not something that caused an unfair advantage or was exploited - it is just a mechanic that they did not anticipate would work in a such a manner. This did not break the game, nor did make the raid unplayable. It merely created an opportunity for people to assess the situation, and plan accordingly, WHICH IS SUPPOSEDLY WHAT BUNGIE WANTED. Here is a BUG that they have yet to fix: continually being thrown back through the gate after your teammates exit the portal. THAT is a bug. THAT is something that breaks this raid. THAT is something they should have addressed. THAT is something that needs to be fixed. Hell, THAT is something that should have taken a priority over the stupid "baby bumpers" - but no, they would rather CHANGE the level design INSTEAD OF fixing actual bugs. Given that, I doubt they will look at any of these threads, let alone your comment (although kudos to you for beating the raid - nicely done).
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[quote]Here is a BUG that they have yet to fix: continually being thrown back through the gate after your teammates exit the portal. THAT is a bug. THAT is something that breaks this raid. THAT is something they should have addressed. THAT is something that needs to be fixed. [/quote] I don't think this is a bug...it only happens if you try to run through the portal you don't go through, if you walk, you will appear on the other side as normal. Unless this is actually a bug then I'm sorry
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I walked through portal 30 or more times last night with a group....We had a few wipes. But in ALL the 30 times I Walked slowly through. [b]at least 3 times it bugged and sent me back in[/b] Also at the end when we beat him it still bugged and we got the timer at 0 and had to manually take the team to orbit. Also other bugs gapped like a supplicant inside killing inside team. Relics randomly dropping. Etc.
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It is a bug, if you walk through sometimes it doesn't work.
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You,you make a good argument,Lets hope this isn't changed.Congrats on beating the vault.
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Not the overwhelming majority. Just the loudest no life whiners that keep remaking the same threads over and over again.
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The multiple threads with huge polls show support of dislike to the changes disagrees with your statement.
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Claiming that people have no lives is down right childish. What makes you so special?
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Editado por munkt0r: 10/20/2014 9:47:57 PMYou're correct, my apologies. People that post daily on this board about how terrible it is and whine constantly for the developers to make changes that better suit their wants and needs while still playing an average of 3-5 hours a day and have already amassed 5+ days of playtime likely have robust lives worth living; full of tiny joys moment to moment. I rescind the no lives part and instead state simply, it is not the overwhelming majority of players that post on these boards.
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Yup i play countless hours because this game is great. I post on here everyday but guess what? I post crap on here while im at WORK. You must have a perfect life with no worries, no bills, no kids, nothing. Oh wait you must be a 16 year old who thinks life is all peaches because you are still sucking on your mothers breast. When you grow up, that is, if you do, you will learn the cold harsh truth of having a life.
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Nope. at work as well. No kids - because I dislike children in general. Bills, yes - that's why I work. 16? Oh I wish...If I could turn back time with what I know today i'd rule the world by this time tomorrow =)
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Editado por EtherMagz: 10/20/2014 11:12:45 PMYou edited your last post so it made me look like an ahole lol well played.
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Lol, I do that. All in good fun mate. Just bored waiting at the train for the girl. Hope you didn't get offended, I honestly could care less how they patch the game, we just enjoy playing it.
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Man i wish i was 16 too. This sucks haha.
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I agree. I don't like the whining. But are you implying that i am a whiner because of this post? Just want to know.
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I wasn't calling anyone directly a whiner. I'm saying that it's impossible to ascertain the majority of this game's playerbase. You could argue the most "trending" topics. You could argue "the most posts i've personally seen". What you cannot state is the majority of the playerbase wants or doesn't want said change.
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Then I will say the majority of the people that post on this board. They won't know the will of the majority of the player base until they make the change and see if numbers doing the raid fall off or not. I would imagine that a fair percentage of the actual players don't know this change is coming yet and won't have a chance to react until it does.
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Most people that play this game do not post on the boards is the point.
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Which is what I meant. I'm sure they'll watch the numbers after the patch and if people doing the raid sharply drop, they'll know it was a mistake. If not, they likely won't care what we say here.
