...the point is, at least in my case, I want the challenge of doing a raid, I couldn't care less about the loot you get as a reward, however most of us who want match making have lives, meaning we can't block out and devote a certain amount of time for a video game. And all it takes is one person to not be able to do it, for any reason and then whoops, all the planning is now pushed back until another time you all think you can be on, plus clans aren't exactly clubs for people to hang out at their leisure, there is a hierarchy, rules, roles you have play to stay in, attendance checks you have to pass to stay in, I know this from experience. Plus you have 1/8 of a chance of someone you meet on a forum to be able to do a raid with you, just have the ability to, not even going into planned times, then you have people like me, who work night shift so automatically I'm limited to the weekend to do ANYTHING I want to or need to, not exclusively destiny, match making doesn't not effect people planning it out at all. Most people don't play video games as a life style, they do it for recreation, and while some people like getting together months in advance and plotting it all out most do not, most just want to play the damn game.

If you can't be bothered to find a Raiding group you don't deserve to do Raids. Bungie's already made it clear with playlists such as Iron Banner that certain features are not aimed at everyone, and they don't mind if some people are left out.

Wow there's no getting it through your thick head is there? We payed for the game, we should be able to play every part we've paid for, a lot of people have a gaming console for RECREATION, they don't want to spend more hours planning for a game than actually playing. We, the "casual" players just want to PLAY it, if we don't win a raid oh -blam!-ing well, we know what were getting into, we know its not going to be easy, but we want to experience it all the same, and since we have lives, we can't easily just make a time to do a raid with 5 other people, this isn't WoW, our lives aren't dedicated to the -blam!-ing game, if bungie wanted a game that was like that then they should have made it a PC game, because the vast majority of console players don't have that kind of time unless aren't responsible adults yet. Just -blam!-ing think about it for a second, you plan a raid like a month in advance and then a friend or family member asks you to do something with them and you reply "Sorry I can't spend time with you because I have to do a raid in a video game with 5 other people I've never met before" do you know how pathetic that sounds? Seriously man, this isn't about being too lazy to find a group it's about all the complications that come into play and how it's ultimately distasteful to the average console player who has an actual life to attend to. Why do you think so many people are saying to add it? What other reason would you care unless you want to feel like you're above others? I mean come on really? This is a GAME not a job, and not a life style.

I really don't see your point. Your complaining a lot about not having time to find players for raiding because you have a life. Adding MM may make it faster to get into a raid, but it's still going to take a lot of time to complete maybe even longer. So how does an individual such as yourself who seems to be very busy ever have time for a raid? Also your statement about being entitled to all aspects of the game because you purchased it is stupid. You haven't bought it yet. So you know MM isn't going to be available for raids so.......wait for it.... DON'T BUY IT. Hey I'm going to go buy a car tomorrow that I know doesn't have an engine. Then I'm going to bitch and complain because I should have gotten an engine with it. Pretty stupid right?

Obviously you don't, the point is that often when a clan plans a raid they set a specific date and time, if for whatever reason you can't do it at that exact time you're -blam!-ed. Normally people have the weekends free but if something else comes up then you lose out on doing the raid, I don't see how this is such a hard concept to grasp. And I didn't say I bought the game I said IF you bought the game you should be able to play every part of the game, a good number of players like challenge, that comes in the form of a raid. What is the point in adding something to the game that 99% of the players can't play, this isn't a self entitlement to loot, or winning something, this isn't crying about something being to hard, this is an argument stating I, as well a large majority of other people who wouldn't be able to otherwise, want to PLAY the raid, nobody is saying the raid should be easier, or that we should get loot, or that the raid should be easier to compensate, it would still have the same difficulty, and be the same challenge, that doesn't effect people like you who want to plan for it at all, so why you even care doesn't make sense since it doesn't effect you. If you just go to to a tower, or a forum and stare you want to do a raid it'll probably take much much longer than a simple mm with the same exact results, a group of 6 random people. As far as I can tell there is also no real support for this, they make the raid and then basically say its your problem without any way to find a raiding group, match making is the easiest way to fix this but if they added ANY way to help find a raiding group in game that would be a perfectly acceptable alternative and I'm sure most people would agree.

Sometimes assuming isn't the best way to go. I'm not in a clan. Yes I do have some friends that will play and getting a raid together will most likely be easier for me then you. With that being said I still find it hard to believe that by the time you are high enough level to raid that you couldn't have made more than enough online friends to do raids with. I highly doubt 99% of people won't be able to play considering all you have to do is be social. Invite random people into your fireteam while exploring. Get to know some people and the ones you enjoy talking to and shooting with then add them as a friend. I understand that takes some effort, but I think in the long run it would be worth it. I do see your point on MM and yes it would be way easier and faster to get into a raid, but it won't be very much fun imo. Why on earth would you even want to risk playing with 5 randons when at anytime one or more of them could just bail for any reason they want leaving the rest of you sol? Yes that can also happen with friends, but at least you will know they have to go and it would most likely be for a legitimate reason. I think these raids are going to be really difficult and imo bungie is trying to save people and themselves all the bullshit that will come from MM. So what platform are you on? If your on PS4 I will be your friend. I have a job and family so I understand real life getting in the way, but I'm sure we could figure it out.

I'm on ps3, and I'd fully agree with you if there was someway to communicate with people outside of your fireteam, otherwise the only way I see that happening is if you find people you like through doing strikes, and usually you're too busy fighting to send messages back and forth because unless I'm mistaken you can't communicate during strikes either unless you're already in a fireteam. It would be better if they implemented better communication options other than dancing and pointing. You can't even talk in the tower iirc. If they want to support players having fireteams they should support being able to find compatible fireteam members easier. Right now your best bet is posting on a forum that you need a fireteam, your region, your platform and your active hours, which is what I'll probably do, but what's the actual percent of destiny players that go on the forum? I'm not saying mm would be a long term solution, far from it, however it could act as a temporary use for players to search for fireteam members, yes you'll probably get a crap shoot but there are good odds you'll find at least one person you can add to your fireteam through it, like a work in process. Know what I mean? I don't want it to be a mindless method to play a raid but instead a way to find good team member to do a raid properly.

Dude, unless you're a super serious raiding clan, you don't plan raids "a month in advance." You head to the forums and say "Hey, who wants to run Vault of Glass in an hour?" Bam. No worries about the randoms being scrubs because you can check their stats first, and everyone's on the same page. But I guess since you "have a life" you can't even put that much work into it.

Okay, that's great and all, but you'd need 6 people in the mood, in your region, on your platform. If it was simple to do that and get enough people in a timely manner then yes, I would, maybe I'm over complicating it, but well just have to see.

You'd need six people in the mood, in your region, on your platform regardless of whether or not matchmaking existed. Everyone will just be advertising actively on the forums instead.

So nice my forum experience will be ruined by endless LFG posts. Especially nice, knowing my ruined forum experience results in the same random grouping as matchmaking would have resulted in without ruining my forum experience.