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8/1/2014 3:50:09 AM
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Not a fan of matchmaking for raids.
A raid will take a ton of planning and preparation. Not only will you need to be leveled to the appropriate level, but you'll need top level gear (something most people know).
What most people don't take into account is the type of weapons you'll need and the elements that go along with those weapons. The raid will almost assuredly require different types of elements in your weapons to be successful. Someone will need a sniper rifle, someone else a shotgun, someone a fusion rifle, someone else a rocket launcher, and someone else will need a heavy machine gun. Oh, and the weapons will need to be leveled up with all their perks too. Random parties won't be able to coordinate this very well (especially if they don't have a headset.
All of this, in addition to teamwork. Some random may be helpful and even a great player, but it's better to work with someone you're comfortable with and know how they'll approach a situation than with a random (even if the random is better). Basically, just having played together before will give you a huge advantage.
These aren't things you can get with a random party. Maybe you'll get some of them, but I don't think just some of these things should be necessary to be successful in a raid.
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Jesus I almost feel like that much time should not be put into playing a game. Strategy? Sure why not but pre planning c'mon Im not even part of the work force and I don't have time to do that
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People make it out like it's so hard and time consuming. It isn't. It will take minutes. Just hold onto your gear instead of breaking it all down and you'll have most of the stuff by the time you finish the story. Party chat and take 2 minutes in orbit to get it straightened out.
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It's hard to find good random teams in pvp but it's still fun. Should they take away matchmaking from it to?
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No. Pvp is meant for everyone. Raids aren't
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Is ridiculous to say a part of the game isn't meant for them they paid 60 dollars it's all meant for them.
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[quote]Is ridiculous to say a part of the game isn't meant for them they paid 60 dollars it's all meant for them.[/quote] 1). They should know what kind of game they're buying then and not be surprised at this feature. 2). [b][i][u]No one is stopping them. [/u][/i][/b] They can still play it. They're aren't barred from that game mode
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[quote][quote]Is ridiculous to say a part of the game isn't meant for them they paid 60 dollars it's all meant for them.[/quote] 1). They should know what kind of game they're buying then and not be surprised at this feature. 2). [b][i][u]No one is stopping them. [/u][/i][/b] They can still play it. They're aren't barred from that game mode[/quote] I really think your building this raid in your head to be some thing it's not. We will all see in time. If they add matchmaking think of me :) if they don't I'll think of you
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[quote]I really think your building this raid in your head to be some thing it's not. We will all see in time. If they add matchmaking think of me :) if they don't I'll think of you [/quote] Well I've played Halo on legendary and it kicked my ass. This is supposed to be tougher according to bungie, but also rewards planning and teamwork, so I hope I'm building it into what they're saying it will be. For the record, I've never gotten on forums or played with a headset (even on years of a 360 I never played with one) until destiny. I've already made some friends in the game to play with, and I bought the PS gold headset too. I don't have a problem changing to play this type of game because that's how it's meant to be played ([b][i][u]especially the raid[/u][/i][/b]). I'm fully aware of this and am making a conscious decision to play it in this way. If I wasn't, I wouldn't play the game
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Look here is my final statement on the matter ok? I agree the funnest and best way to do these raids is with friends simple at that. But some people won't have friends and you will need a huge amount to be Abel to raid any time you want. So these people will go on forums creating their own form of matchmaking. Which is unnecessary. Why make a community do a step that isn't even fun. It's not fun asking randoms to join you and hope someone replies. What is fun is playing the damn thing more difficult or not. Final statements yes it would be funner and better with friends. But there needs to be a compromise for the others.
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Some people don't want a clan some don't want to be on forums some people (most people) want to just be Abel to play it
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Then they can, just don't play the raid. It's the exact same as not playing pvp or strikes or explore or the campaign. It's just a different game mode.
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Why not have matchmaking tell me how would it effect you bc you won't even use it? Don't say it'll get toned down bc these people will find ways to play if they complain they will do it no matter what
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[quote]Why not have matchmaking tell me how would it effect you bc you won't even use it? Don't say it'll get toned down bc these people will find ways to play if they complain they will do it no matter what 1). Yeah it will get toned down if they allow matchmaking. Bungie hasn't sacrificed it's vision for proximity chat, splitscreen, larger fireteams, and they haven't for raids either. If they allow matchmaking, they'll tone it down for the masses to make the experience better for everyone. 2). Matchmaking will take away people who would might have tried to form a team through making friends in the game or on the forums. It will also add in a ton of shitty players too
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"they'll tone it down for the masses to make the experience better for everyone." Then they should tone it down. It's their job to make it better for everyone not better for the "elite"
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Not on a game that has end game content. End game content is not for everyone at all. I've played a few MMO's before and I sure as hell didn't go to play end game content because that shit is a pain in the ass and I didn't want to do it. In Destiny, I most definitely will though
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You yourself said they would tone it to bring better for everyone that's a company's job man to make it better for everyone
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[quote]You yourself said they would tone it to bring better for everyone that's a company's job man to make it better for everyone[/quote] I said they'll tone it down [b][i][u]IF[/u][/i][/b] they allow matchmaking. Bringing the masses to end game content isn't making the game better for everyone. It's watering it down for the people who want this extreme challenge. I don't think you understand the concept of end game material, or you at least don't agree with it.
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Endgame is for anyone who makes it there. And to compare destiny to an mmo is ridiculous considering destiny will have a way higher percentage of players make it to endgame content.
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[quote]Endgame is for anyone who makes it there. And to compare destiny to an mmo is ridiculous considering destiny will have a way higher percentage of players make it to endgame content.[/quote] Yes, but that also depends on the definition of end game. Is it just reaching level 20? Is it completing the story? According to bungie the real beginning of the game is once you've [b]completed[/b] the story. You could also say doing some of the raids on the higher difficulty is end game content (they'll have like level 20 devil's lair or whatever level/strike). My point is that for pve stuff, a raid is as tough as it gets in this game and you should have to work to get there. And I don't think Destiny is [b]at all[/b] an MMO, but they're definitely similarities between them. I think it's pretty obvious bungie is striving to bring mmo elements into the game as well
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Whatever your definition is really isn't the point... The point is a greater percentage of players will come to the point (a lot quicker also) were raids will be the only thing left to conquer in destiny than in an mmo.
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Right, but to get to that point they'll have needed to do some strikes, where they'll have the opportunity to meet people and make it to a raid. I see what you're saying, but the fact is this isn't an MMO or a pc game. Bungie needed a way to make it to where just hardcore, prepared players could make it to endgame content [b]because[/b] other players wouldn't be prepared for it. The game will have console players that aren't used to endgame content, and this is their way of trying to prepare them. Is this a perfect system? Hell no but I don't think there is one. They don't want just anyone attempting the raid and this is their solution, for better or worse
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Editado por WinterbornGuard: 8/1/2014 6:54:25 AMRight so by the logic that if they make it there then they should be prepared for the challenge so why not have matchmake for a bunch of players that clearly are up for the challenge at that point.
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"Making it there," isn't [b][i]really[/i][/b] making it there because [quote] a greater percentage of players will come to the point (a lot quicker also) were raids will be the only thing left to conquer in destiny than in an mmo. [/quote] It will still be over saturated with people who aren't ready for it. Make some friends who [b]want[/b] to play with you and by then you should be ready to at least give it a shot
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Whatever makes you feel special man. Honestly I have seen many pugs do just as good or better than a planned group. But if it HAS to be percieved as this exclusive impossible challenge that only the priveleged endgamers who have achieved raid enlightenment can comprehend and succeed (just feel the pretetiousness ooze!) then more power to you.
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[quote]Whatever makes you feel special man. Honestly I have seen many pugs do just as good or better than a planned group. But if it HAS to be percieved as this exclusive impossible challenge that only the priveleged endgamers who have achieved raid enlightenment can comprehend and succeed (just feel the pretetiousness ooze!) then more power to you.[/quote] So far your argument is that I'm "pretetious" and that's why I'm against matchmaking. I told what I thought. If you want to go and just be insulting fine. Way to express your thoughts coherently
