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Editado por kgj: 10/29/2013 8:07:17 PM
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Green and Blue

Well, here it is. I've been wanting to write this thread for a long time, but I never really got the time to properly formally write it. Indeed, I don't really have that time now either. So instead this thread will be much more informal than I'd previously hoped. However, that shouldn't really diminish the credibility of what I'm writing. Now, this is a thread about Halo 4. Specifically the relationship between Chief and Cortana. And it portrays Halo 4 in a positive light. Unfortunately, even mentioning Halo 4 in a remotely positive light on these forums is enough to spur some over idealistic bada$$es to run in and start insulting you for your opinion. So if you're one of those people, this thread is not for you. GTFO. Debating Halo 4 with you people is a lot like walking into a Solitary confinement zone and headbutting someone. Not only have you accomplished absolutely nothing of value, you've ended up inflicting damage to your own head and starting a long term confrontation with a person who's probably mentally unstable. In light of this, I have to tell you to refrain from insulting the quality of the [i]game[/i] in this thread should you choose to participate in a discussion in here, and instead point to where you disagree with my analysis for truly legitimate criticism. Basically, if you're thinking of coming in here and saying "well yeah but the game still sucks for reason X," this isn't the thread for you. Now that I've basically warded off 85% of the population of these forums, it's time to get to what I actually want to say. Throughout Halo's history we've had some interesting narrative threads to consider. Take, for example, the Precursors and how they throw the purpose of life into question. Or how Halo 3 ODST's narrative paralleled the events of [i]The Divine Comedy.[/i] All intriguing in their own ways. However, when you think about the core story of the central protagonist, Master Chief, as a character, it's largely a dull and bleak affair in the video game settings he makes appearances in. Until Halo 4. Using the titular character and his equally iconic AI companion, the storyline manages to craft a relationship that not only evolves character, but builds it as well. To truly see how much Halo 4 develops Master Chief's character, we must first see what the character is originally defined as by the game. One can easily see that his personality has been left intact throughout the opening acts of the game. He is stoic, calm, and focused on the mission. Indeed, as I move forward with my analysis, the traits, specifically the last one, are shown to be important precedents to the evolutions of his character throughout the narrative. However, crucial context is given for [i]why[/i] he is this way. In the prologue, Dr. Halsey's interrogator mentions that Spartans routinely exhibit sociopathic tendencies. Essentially, the formation of true friendships and close relationships in general is made almost impossible. More importantly, the interrogator specifically addresses Master Chief himself. “Do you think the Master Chief succeeded because he was, at his core, broken?” This is essentially the thesis the entire narrative of the Reclaimer Trilogy will try to explore. What is Master Chief, at his core? If we push Master Chief out of his “comfort zone” (as Christopher Schlerf states during “A Hero Awakens”), we will be able to see what Chief truly is at his core by seeing how he will react. And that’s what [i]Halo 4[/i] is all about. Setting the table and stripping Chief down to his absolute self. If you think about it, Master Chief is actually not just himself anymore. Given his relationship with Cortana, he’s essentially become a fusion of both himself and Cortana. Not literally, but in psychological terms. Whereas Chief has always been the one to get the mission done, Cortana has always given him a directive, both directly and indirectly. This goes hand in hand with how Chief is focused on the mission- Cortana [i]gives[/i] him a mission to focus on. Indeed, 343’s Kenneth Scott states this in “A Hero Awakens.” "Chief and Cortana aren't the same person, but she's always been the reflection of his humanity." Cortana substitutes for Chief’s human side. In this way, she halts any impulsive side of him from taking over, and keeps him at his peak efficiency. Indeed, in the prologue Cortana appears exactly when Halsey states that she “provided the tools to maintain that efficiency.” That is, she provides an outlet for him to stop focusing on his [i]desires[/i] and instead to focus on the mission. Even when she isn’t there, Chief manages to incorporate her with the mission as well, as can be seen in Halo 3. But he’s never truly faced the reality of having his [i]emotions[/i] dictate his relationship with her. He’s always been able to rationalize it away. Until Halo 4’s ending. Now that we’ve got the preset context of the Chief, we can start to see how the narrative evolves him. As said before, Halo 4 is all about stripping Chief down to his core, and pushing him out of his comfort zone. The narrative does this by attacking what is arguably the most important element of Chief himself- Cortana. One can easily see the discomfort Chief experiences throughout the narrative through his body language as he slowly starts to realize his attachment to Cortana supersedes the mere “mission” classification he’s given it. The development truly takes off at the end of Reclaimer. When Captain Del Rio gives Chief direct orders, for the first time in the series, he disobeys them. While Del Rio consistently asks Chief to give Cortana back to him, he doesn’t comply. Perhaps more importantly, he deflects the situation by focusing on the mission again. Instead of denying Del Rio’s requests by talking specifically about Cortana, we get Chief talking about the predicament regarding the Didact- “The Didact has to be stopped. If you won’t do that, I will.” As the game progresses, Chief’s character is forced into more situations that make him confront his personal stake in Cortana. Just look at “Composer.” In the period of denouement after the scene where the team at Ivanoff Station is composed, Cortana confronts Master Chief directly about the reality of the situation involving her. While he has no hesitation in simply passing off the deaths at Ivanoff Station as part of the mission (“And more will follow if the Didact reaches Earth”), when Cortana brings up her personal side (“It won’t be me”), the Chief is clearly affected. By the way we can see Master Chief respond (awkwardly checking his assault rifle), it is clear the Chief is distressed by the personal stake that’s clawing its way out in the conversation. And in the ending to the game, it does find its way out. In the most absolutely natural, beautiful way I can possibly think of. After saving Chief from the Didact, Cortana meets Chief for one final goodbye. Master Chief, deciding once again to confront the situation in the way he always has, in the way he has become accustomed to, then truly realizes the reality of their relationship. No more rationalization, no more lies. Almost every single line in the ending plays a part in making this as natural as possible. Let’s take a look at them then. Master Chief immediately calls out to Cortana. “Cortana, do you read? Cortana, come in.” The militaristic approach to the conversation (using typical jargon) shows that Chief still realizes Cortana as part of the mission. More significantly, when Cortana reappears, she mentions that Chief “did it.” Just like he always does. As the Didact’s vessel has been crippled and the Forerunner plot stopped, Chief has completed his mission. He now has to have all his focus on Cortana. This removes the one thing that he fell back on to try and deflect his feelings about his predicaments with Cortana. Master Chief’s initial curiosity about Cortana’s reappearance is erased within moments as he focuses on what to do next. He once again contacts Cortana for a directive (as he always has). “So how do we get out of here?” And this is when Cortana breaks the news to Chief- this isn’t going to be like it always was. “I’m not coming with you this time.” Chief reacts with clear surprise. “What?!” Its drives the nail home- he’s going to have to react to this personally. After Cortana clarifies the circumstances behind the situation, Chief tries to react in his regular, stoic, military fashion- once again trying to slip into his “comfort zone.” He’s trying to say that that’s what should happen- that’s what has always happened, isn’t it? “No. That’s not… we go together.” It’s a hopeless denial, but he largely maintains his stoic composure. And when Cortana once again affirms that it’s a scenario that Chief can’t change, Chief loses that composure. “I am not leaving you here.” The hopelessness of his plea is exemplified by his faltering voice. He knows he can’t save her, but he [i]has[/i] to. He always wins. Then we get to the [i]beautiful[/i] metaphor of Cortana touching John- Chief brushing with the reflection of his humanity one final time before it goes away and he has to find his own version of it. The Chief then relates everything back to a mission status once again. “It was my job to take care of you.” But Cortana shatters this with her response. “It was our job to take care of each other… and we did.” It was never just another part of the mission. He has absolutely no other way to rationalize it off now. This is a relationship that transcends the boundaries that he previously thought grounded it. He’s clearly taken aback by this kind of realization, judging by his response to Cortana. “Cortana… please…” [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=61762114&path=1]Continuation[/url]

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    • I can't agree more... even in the latests Halo trailer, him, keeping her empty chip with him just further solidifies what she was to him.

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    • Editado por Tartan 118: 1/15/2014 11:33:12 PM
      Brilliant. Better than I've been able to articulate it to myself, and with some points I didn't realise. Now for the continuation. I've always said that H4 is a far more theme- and character-driven narrative than Bungie's action-driven space operas, and this is the best explanation of that yet.

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    • Editado por Gatsby: 12/31/2013 2:58:10 AM
      Wow best post I've seen submitted here. I like Chief and Cortanas relationship in Halo 4 it shows that Chief is human and not just big tall robot that destroys everything. It also further adds to my belief that everyone needs a specfic other(doesn't have be a spouse) that they can rely on, trust and can't manage without. [spoiler]sounds cheesy and a little gay but hey it's just the way I feels[/spoiler] Oh ffs I didn't know it was an old post.

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        • Editado por kgj: 9/4/2013 12:27:50 AM
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          [Continued from OP] And then, in one word, we have the most ultimate form of development Chief’s character could possibly take. As Cortana walks away, Chief pleads to her: “Wait!” This is the most important line in the entire series as of yet for Master Chief’s character. This line shows him, for the very first time in his life, acting on [i]desire[/i] and impulse rather than rationale. This is what he [i]wants[/i], not what he needs. He knows Cortana isn’t coming back. He knows he can’t bring her back. But he still wants her to stay. And this is when he realizes that. “Welcome home, John.” And then Cortana ends her character arc by bringing John back “home.” Home in this case meaning the core of his character once again. He doesn’t have Cortana to direct and take care of him. He essentially is missing his humanity at this point. In the end, he’s going to have to find his own humanity to take care of this. And that’s about the most exciting thing I can think of for a sequel from a characterization point of view. Finally, in the Epilogue, aboard the Infinity, Master Chief once again has to deal with the events. After Lasky mentions his loss, Master Chief tries to hide his true feelings once again, trying to mention that Cortana was merely a casualty of war. But after Lasky leaves, having reminded him of Cortana, Chief talks to himself. And I think this is important- this state of self-reflection, not on his mission, but on his own character. I believe it’s the first time we’ve seen him in this kind of state in the entire series. It shows he’s genuinely been changed by the events. The events of Halo 4 have shaped Master Chief’s character in a masterful way through his relationship with Cortana. And if you can just step back from the multiplayer and the shooting and explosions and look at the game for it, you might just find that it’s got quite a bit of heart. So there you have it. My weird ramblings about Halo 4’s character development. I know that 95% of people will be all like “ooh where’s muh tl;dr,” but for the 5% who I made this thread for, I have to ask what your thoughts are on this. Oh, and just a little something I was thinking of once again. Remember in the intro, when Dr. Halsey states that her Spartans are “humanity’s next step?” And in the ending, when we have the whole “Chief with his arms T-d” thing (which I first read in Chronarch’s [url=http://adju7ant.tumblr.com/post/46934909801/halo-4s-epilogue-and-why-it-has-more-depth-than-the]excellent analysis[/url] of the event)? If Cortana is a reflection of Chief’s humanity, AND she is the most human character in the series (again according to Kenneth Scott in “A Hero Awakens”), doesn’t that greatly support Halsey’s statement? I mean, if you think about it, Master Chief sees everything we take for granted with a novelty that can’t be matched by anyone else. He throws everything we normally do into question. And in that way, I believe that Master Chief, by not possessing “humanity,” is actually the most human of us all. Well, there it is I guess. :P [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post?id=61775411&path=1]Meta continuation here[/url]

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          • Editado por kgj: 9/4/2013 12:29:53 AM
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            [Ramble mode engaged] It's funny, I was just thinking once again about the predicament Chief is in with regards to the Prometheans. You know, the humans turned machines? To beat them the "machine" is going to have to turn human. Imagine that. Every time you've killed a Promethean, you've killed a twisted image of the person you went to such great lengths to protect. If you think about it, the only reason Cortana even stayed on our side was due to her embracing humanity and having a personality. We can also see something complementing this in Forerunner AIs being built specifically for destruction and combat. We see Mendicant Bias defecting. We see Guilty Spark once again defecting. We have no idea what happens to Offensive Bias (if he comes back as a rampant villain I will legitimately stand up and applaud 343 in the middle of my playthrough/readthrough). What we see in damn near every AI that doesn't have a directive is that they're able to embrace their humanity and respect it. Basically, they're on our side because they have desires- and they can relate to us. Now when we have AIs like the ones listed, they defect. Now one might bring up Mendicant Bias as turning good, but think about it. Is Mendicant really the same AI as he was before? After he is destroyed, and he has no directive, he reflects upon everything and then takes up a [i]moral stance.[/i] Now if we think about other major characters- specifically machine characters- who are dedicated to the purpose they were created for... Oh my. Halo 5 should bring up a damn nice inner conflict for Chief. If Chief goes rogue in Halo 5 at first, and then comes back to help humanity after developing his character... wow. Completely unrelated but, In a reference to the myth of Prometheus, during Shutdown, Didact mentions that humanity are merely "children and fire" with "no concern for the welfare of the galaxy." Judging by the way we've used the technology they've left behind for our own purposes, it's an apt analogy indeed.

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            • Eh, the whole Cortana + Chief sitting in a tree thing was over the top in H4 I see Halo as the "Fight or die" plot line with a hint of "Ancient Aliens: Electric Bogaloo 2".Not as "Ancient Aliens: Electric Bogaloo 2" with "Romance plotline" It's almost like 343i is attempting to pull of a Big Boss with chief. >Walks away from Palmer who is trying to shake his hand or something (Big Boss refusing to shake DCI's hand) >Dramatic music when walking in slow motion towards camara at ending (Debriefing in MGS3) >Everyone looking at Chief with the whole "Ohh boy loook at that patriot" when UNSC salutes Chief when returning (When Big Boss walks in room) >Didact talking during ending over how shit played out (EVA talking about blah blah true patriot) >Cortanas death (The Bosses death) >Cortana saying "Welcome home,John" (The Boss saying "There's only room for one boss and one snake) >Everything collapsing after Cortana died (Flowers turning red when The Boss died) >Chiefs name is John Cortana called him Chief (Big Boss's name is John, The Boss called him "Jack") Your not fooling anyone 343i

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            • Didn't read!

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            • Editado por DerpyTheWhale: 10/29/2013 8:02:07 PM
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            • Good thread bro

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            • I still need to play Halo 4...

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              • way too long, did not even attempt to read. Let me guess, you are trying to overthink the MC/Cortana relationship, right? If Cortana could take on a human form, she and chief would bang. /thread

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                • Editado por Smarkdow: 9/2/2013 10:06:48 PM
                  It is clear to me that you are completely over-analyzing the story, Mr. Gojira. The relationship between Master Chief and Cortana is not a representation of "humanity". It is quite simply, a cheesy, over the top love story. 343 Industries created nothing more than a depressingly amusing fan fiction. It is not brilliant, it is not symbolism, it is not smart. It is hammy, overly dramatic, and completely ridiculous. You're welcome.

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                  • Holy shit. It's just a videogame. You're taking it way too seriously.

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                    • Editado por Mishaya: 10/17/2013 10:11:07 PM
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                      Abrió un tema nuevo: -snip-(59 Respuestas))

                    • Great post, but 343i still needs to work on the writing so it doesn't sound as cheesy.

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                    • Excellent read, further improved by the songs in the Man of Steel credits. While I can't say I have anything of value that could be applied to your posts, I can say I understand the driven understanding and the writing to which was put in throughout the game. It shows something detached from who he always was, and you illustrated it pretty well, can't say I could ever do better for sure. Good read.

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                      • tl;dr -Blam!- HALO 4. [spoiler]ami doin it rite?[/spoiler]

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                        • Good read.

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                        • Well said, Gojira. As one who has beaten all of the Halo games, beaten all the Marathon games again and again, and even beat Oni once, Halo 4's would certainly be one of the most controversial---and meaningful, if one can be open minded enough to accept it. Is the post all original writing?

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                          • Editado por A 3 Legged Goat: 9/2/2013 11:37:03 PM
                            Good post. 343 lacks Bungie's magic, but they also have balls that Bungie didn't have. They did things in the Campaign that dropped my jaw - things you'd never see in Bungie's Halo - and I do have faith in the Halo 5 Campaign wowing me as well (mainly because Next Gen though). With that said, they left a lot to be desired both in their writing and in their mission design/gameplay. This thread is focusing mainly on the writing though, so I will just say that while I agree that Chief/Cortana's relationship was done well (not perfect and overdone at times, but much better than HCE and H2), other characters such as Del Rio, Palmer, and Miller in Spops just leave me cringing. If 343 abandons the idea of carrying the protagonists with cliche characters, they might just be able to write a "perfect" Campaign - one deserving of GotY

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                            • Oh... it's about the MC and Cortana... From the title, I thought it might have been about the adverse effects of gangrene on the body. Now I have disappointment...

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