Yeah, I value the rights of the woman more than that of her unborn child. If the fetus is dependent on her for survival, it's a part of her body, and she can do with her body what she wants.

Quick question, if I die and donate a vital organ which is preserved, by this logic would the organ still be considered it's own person since it's a living thing with unique DNA even if it's being kept alive inside someone else?

Let's look at abortion from a nature perspective: 1. Due to modern science and medicine infant mortality has dropped significantly. 2. Science and medicine, however, have not been able to prevent most birth defects, autism, mental retardation etc. in infants. 3. Because we're keeping all those children they grow up and some spread their defective genes making even more "defective" babies. 4. We selectively breed everything from flowers, vegetables, to livestock, and even pets. While this isn't technically the same as we're not forcing two individuals to mate this is a way to remove undesirables from the gene pool to be able to continue with our freedom to choose mates. Now let's look at it from an economic standpoint: 1. Higher income families or persons tend to have the least amount of children, while lower income families or persons tend to have more, this exacerbates the problem of poverty due to not being able to support large families. 2. Because lower income families can't support their children on their own they receive government welfare. The more lower income families have children the more we as a nation have to pay for them. 3. If parents decide not to raise their child and put it up for adoption the child becomes a ward of the state and tax payer money is used to care for it. The more children are born the more are put up for adoption and the more they become a drain on taxpayer money. From a psychological perspective: 1. Some women/people are not ready or fit to be parents at all, these people usually end up harming the child either physically or psychologically during their lifetimes. 2. Children from abusive or broken homes tend to grow up to be criminals and exhibit the same patterns of behavior as their parents. If they end up in prison or juvenile hall they become drains on tax payer money... again. 3. If a woman is -blam!- having the child of her rapist can be extremely traumatic. It would be unfair to force her to have it as it was completely against her will that she was even pregnant in the first place. 4. Children raised in orphanages or foster care usually live tough lives and experience some issues like feelings of abandonment or worse. Logically abortion should not be outlawed.

Im a girl and im pro abortion

[quote]At what point do we receive these rights? When we exist.[/quote] Wrong. You receive rights when you are a citizen of the country. You are not an American citizen at the moment of conception. You are an American citizen the moment you are born and receive a birth certificate. Your argument is pointless beyond this. Also, it's medically and scientifically impossible to determine the exact moment of conception.

Martin, pro-choice fanatics do not listen to logic. Your attempt to console them with intelligence is futile. They don't value human life any more than they do ants, and in the same manner that one can mindlessly stomp on an annoying ant, [url=https://www.google.com/search?q=abortion&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS353US353&aq=f&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Vy5vUb2dJIGOygHn34HYCw&biw=1920&bih=965&sei=WS5vUYKPJ5TCyAH0moDADw]they can mindlessly destroy innocent human life[/url] without a second thought.

pro choice doesn't mean that you HAVE to abort the -blam!-ing baby you neanderthals, it means that the choice is there IF you want/need it. pro life is a completely illogical standpoint and those who actually agree with banning abortion are retarded nit wits who have their heads so far up their asses they can feel stomach acid on their skulls.

In other news, keeping things legal and safe always trumps the alternative. I'd much rather have it be legal and a woman can have it done in a safe, sterile environment by a professional.

What if the child has mental issues? What if the child will be weakened in another way? What if the child is the result of a teen pregnancy? There are so many questions that raise eyebrows. But I agree with you on a basic level, once that zygote that is to become you is made, you exist.