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12/5/2011 3:32:04 AM
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And they call it a peaceful protest
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhPdH3wE0_Y&feature=player_embedded[/url]
Enjoy
[Edited on 12.04.2011 7:33 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lonepaul2441 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 [quote]And your defend a point blank shot to the face of pepperspray. Im pretty sure the protesters would fall on there backs as they are being moved meaning the chain breaks and are easier to move. Also they would be pissed if we arrested them (Kind of the reason they are surrounded) and I would let go of them and walk off. [/quote] Yeah, a bunch of teenagers working on mob mentality chanting that the cops can leave only when they release their apprehended suspects is going to just let the officers break the chain one man at a time.[/quote]No you get hold of a student under the aim pits if possible (Like you would pick somebody up) have the other cops do the same and then pull then backwards so its like only half of the chain is being dragged. Its not brutality its just handling and all Im trying to do is get out without blasting pepper spray in their faces. Also cops work in a group mentality to and they have more power to do what they want so they abuse it. The cop obviously did what he did because he has other officers to balance out the claims of the protesters. [/quote] And you miss the point. It isn't the impossibility of breaking the chain, it's that the other protesters would not have tolerated manhandling and would have reacted. The cops were NOT working on group mentality. They were discussing their options rationally. That's why it took so long for them to do anything at all. If they didn't they would have charged at the mob batons in hand. I'm sure that they weighed the pros and cons of each of their options and concluded that the pepper-spray was the most effective option while keeping violence to a minimum. They showed an enormous amount of restraint.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] theHurtfulTurkey [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Locke357 Still a ludicrous display of force if you ask me.[/quote] I think pepper spray is the most docile action they could have taken against those students. They didn't use nightsticks, they didn't draw their guns, hell, they didn't even shove the people that were trapping them and threatening them. Those officers showed a remarkable display of reservation.[/quote] The pepper spray they used is highly potent. The only stronger pepper spray manufactured is designed to take down bears. This isn't the mace that college girls carry with them.
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The police gave them so many warnings. It seemed as though they really didn't want to harm them. Maybe they understood why they were protesting but also understood that they needed to do there job. [quote]Officer: Hey move please we need to go Students: NO! Officer: Please move or we'll move you Students: SO!? Go ahead! Do your worse! Officer: I'm serious, I'll spray you. Student: Do it already! Officer: Alrighty then, I warned you. *Sprays students* Student: OMG Y U SPRAY US WE ARE CHILDREN D':[/quote] This sums it up pretty well.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lI Maverick lI [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lI Maverick lI [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 the protesters never even brought loaded weapons with them[/quote] My question was hypothetical, not related to the video.[/quote]You can't base your opinion on scenarios that didnt happen then[/quote] Yet those scenarios are realistic and happen all the time, so you can answer. You're just ditching the question.[/quote] To my knowledge, none of the OWS protesters have been armed at any of the events.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lonepaul2441 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 [quote]And your defend a point blank shot to the face of pepperspray. Im pretty sure the protesters would fall on there backs as they are being moved meaning the chain breaks and are easier to move. Also they would be pissed if we arrested them (Kind of the reason they are surrounded) and I would let go of them and walk off. [/quote] Yeah, a bunch of teenagers working on mob mentality chanting that the cops can leave only when they release their apprehended suspects is going to just let the officers break the chain one man at a time.[/quote]No you get hold of a student under the aim pits if possible (Like you would pick somebody up) have the other cops do the same and then pull then backwards so its like only half of the chain is being dragged. Its not brutality its just handling and all Im trying to do is get out without blasting pepper spray in their faces.[/quote]And you expect them to just let you drag them off? Some people will join in and try to pull the protesters back to the group. Others will push back against the officers. You will lose control of the situation in less than twenty seconds.
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"If you let them go, we will let you leave!" Threatening cops? [i]Real smart[/i], bro.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] everywhere116 [quote]And your defend a point blank shot to the face of pepperspray. Im pretty sure the protesters would fall on there backs as they are being moved meaning the chain breaks and are easier to move. Also they would be pissed if we arrested them (Kind of the reason they are surrounded) and I would let go of them and walk off. [/quote] Yeah, a bunch of teenagers working on mob mentality chanting that the cops can leave only when they release their apprehended suspects is going to just let the officers break the chain one man at a time.[/quote]No you get hold of a student under the aim pits if possible (Like you would pick somebody up) have the other cops do the same and then pull then backwards so its like only half of the chain is being dragged. Its not brutality its just handling and all Im trying to do is get out without blasting pepper spray in their faces. Also cops work in a group mentality to and they have more power to do what they want so they abuse it. The cop obviously did what he did because he has other officers to balance out the claims of the protesters. [Edited on 12.04.2011 9:49 PM PST]
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[quote]And your defend a point blank shot to the face of pepperspray. Im pretty sure the protesters would fall on there backs as they are being moved meaning the chain breaks and are easier to move. Also they would be pissed if we arrested them (Kind of the reason they are surrounded) and I would let go of them and walk off. [/quote] Yeah, a bunch of teenagers working on mob mentality chanting that the cops can leave only when they release their apprehended suspects is going to just let the officers break the chain one man at a time.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pixi Chix Mobs are dangerous, even the most peaceful ones. As an individual you think for yourself, you make your own decisions, an you actually think about things before you do them. Now we have a mob of people. Each is an individual capable of self-rationalization, however when you are in this situation all of that goes out the door. You've got peer pressure of those around you. You justify your actions by "if they Can do it, I can do it." You are no longer thinking for yourself. A leader steps up to take the lead. There you go. now you have someone calling the shots for the entire group. One leader, and a whole bunch of mindless ducks following him. Now, something goes wrong. Someone throws a punch. Just one punch. Now all of a sudden others stand up and start throwing punches. Hell, a simple trip and fall or a little push could easily fuel a full scale deadly riot. All it takes is ONE person, one person who breaks the peaceful border to bring the rest of the protesters into full blown hostility. [/quote] Most well thought out post I've read all night. The only people who seem to not understand this are the protestors, and even then many of the protestors seem to understand this as well.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lonepaul2441 And your defend a point blank shot to the face of pepperspray. Im pretty sure the protesters would fall on there backs as they are being moved meaning the chain breaks and are easier to move. Also they would be pissed if we arrested them (Kind of the reason they are surrounded) and I would let go of them and walk off. [/quote] Yes, I actually am. They put themselves in that situation willingly. That's all assumption and some of it ludicrous. Don't doubt the police probably debated the best course of action, and they probably decided on the pepper spray.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Pixi Chix Mobs are dangerous, even the most peaceful ones. As an individual you think for yourself, you make your own decisions, an you actually think about things before you do them. Now we have a mob of people. Each is an individual capable of self-rationalization, however when you are in this situation all of that goes out the door. You've got peer pressure of those around you. You justify your actions by "if they Can do it, I can do it." You are no longer thinking for yourself. A leader steps up to take the lead. There you go. now you have someone calling the shots for the entire group. One leader, and a whole bunch of mindless ducks following him. Now, something goes wrong. Someone throws a punch. Just one punch. Now all of a sudden others stand up and start throwing punches. Hell, a simple trip and fall or a little push could easily fuel a full scale deadly riot. All it takes is ONE person, one person who breaks the peaceful border to bring the rest of the protesters into full blown hostility. [/quote]Exactly what I was getting at.
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Mobs are dangerous, even the most peaceful ones. As an individual you think for yourself, you make your own decisions, an you actually think about things before you do them. Now we have a mob of people. Each is an individual capable of self-rationalization, however when you are in this situation all of that goes out the door. You've got peer pressure of those around you. You justify your actions by "if they Can do it, I can do it." You are no longer thinking for yourself. A leader steps up to take the lead. There you go. now you have someone calling the shots for the entire group. One leader, and a whole bunch of mindless ducks following him. Now, something goes wrong. Someone throws a punch. Just one punch. Now all of a sudden others stand up and start throwing punches. Hell, a simple trip and fall or a little push could easily fuel a full scale deadly riot. All it takes is ONE person, one person who breaks the peaceful border to bring the rest of the protesters into full blown hostility. [Edited on 12.04.2011 9:41 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lI Maverick lI [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lonepaul2441 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CND AAA Beef [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lonepaul2441 The arrest that idiot. I hardly doubt they would try and grab a police officers weapon with 20 more right behind them. Also Maverick you seem to hate me because I have a different opinion just because you doesn't mean you can spread lies about me. [/quote]Put yourself in the shoes of the squad leader. Would you really want to risk the lives of your officers, and the civilians around you, on that assumption? All it takes is one person to make a stupid decision. And that decision could cost lives.[/quote]Honestly? I would just go and get the lads to each grab a protester from 1 side of the line and drag them back to open a gap so we can leave. Since the original goal was to get rid of the tents and nothing else I had no other reason to stay. And Maverick I don't blindly hate the police they do the jobs and they do it well but they are still human and can be abusive for next to no reason. The summer riots in the UK I didn't try and pin anything on the police at all I defended them. Go take your lies somewhere else.[/quote] Your suggestion for moving the protestors could have escalated into something bad, and probably would have been made to look like physical abuse of some sort. The police took rightful actions. No lies here, pal. You seem intent on finding every reason or excuse to make the police bad here.[/quote]And your defend a point blank shot to the face of pepperspray. Im pretty sure the protesters would fall on there backs as they are being moved meaning the chain breaks and are easier to move. Also they would be pissed if we arrested them (Kind of the reason they are surrounded) and I would let go of them and walk off.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 Alright, I'm leaving this thread. too many ignorant Floodians with terrible moral priorities, and a lack of understanding of reality. All i can say is, flood i am so very, very disappoint. On the bright side, you idiots are the minority [/quote] Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 Alright, I'm leaving this thread. too many ignorant Floodians with terrible moral priorities, and a lack of understanding of reality. All i can say is, flood i am so very, very disappoint. On the bright side, you idiots are the minority [/quote] On the contrary, you seem to lack the understanding of reality. Maybe the door should hit you on the way out.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 Alright, I'm leaving this thread. too many ignorant Floodians with terrible moral priorities, and a lack of understanding of reality. All i can say is, flood i am so very, very disappoint. On the bright side, you idiots are the minority [/quote] You mean we are the 1%? Im down with that. Also you made yourself the minority by calling everyone else idiots. [Edited on 12.04.2011 9:39 PM PST]
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Alright, I'm leaving this thread. too many ignorant Floodians with terrible moral priorities, and a lack of understanding of reality. All i can say is, flood i am so very, very disappoint. On the bright side, you idiots are the minority
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lonepaul2441 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CND AAA Beef [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lonepaul2441 The arrest that idiot. I hardly doubt they would try and grab a police officers weapon with 20 more right behind them. Also Maverick you seem to hate me because I have a different opinion just because you doesn't mean you can spread lies about me. [/quote]Put yourself in the shoes of the squad leader. Would you really want to risk the lives of your officers, and the civilians around you, on that assumption? All it takes is one person to make a stupid decision. And that decision could cost lives.[/quote]Honestly? I would just go and get the lads to each grab a protester from 1 side of the line and drag them back to open a gap so we can leave. Since the original goal was to get rid of the tents and nothing else I had no other reason to stay. And Maverick I don't blindly hate the police they do the jobs and they do it well but they are still human and can be abusive for next to no reason. The summer riots in the UK I didn't try and pin anything on the police at all I defended them. Go take your lies somewhere else.[/quote] Your suggestion for moving the protestors could have escalated into something bad, and probably would have been made to look like physical abuse of some sort. The police took rightful actions. No lies here, pal. You seem intent on finding every reason or excuse to make the police bad here.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] tntbabin [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] n00b 0f d00m when it comes to police brutality on a college campus as a rule 80%-98% of the time it just a bunch of butt-hurt college hipsters mad because their friends got arrested for doing stupid -blam!-. it's bigger BS if those cops had to be temporarily supended [/quote] Suspended? They should be fired. (or at least the ones that used force against absolutely peaceful protesters)[/quote]so in your mind getting maced or shot trying to mob a police car is police brutality[/quote] Uh, yeah. That is police brutality[/quote] Lemme' guess, pointing at a loaded weapon at a police officer and getting shot for it is also police brutality? If yes, then my God the criminals might as well be the good guys.[/quote]the protesters never even brought loaded weapons with them[/quote] He said getting SHOT for it. The protestors didn't (seem) to have intent to kill. They did however intend to obstruct justice by blocking the police, therefore they got maced, MUCH better than being shot trust me.[/quote]OF COURSE they don't have intent to kill. Have you forgotten the cause?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lI Maverick lI [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 the protesters never even brought loaded weapons with them[/quote] My question was hypothetical, not related to the video.[/quote]You can't base your opinion on scenarios that didnt happen then[/quote] Yet those scenarios are realistic and happen all the time, so you can answer. You're just ditching the question.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 Tell me, what makes it a joke?[/quote] That those children are breaking the law, almost escalating to a point of turning into a mob, and defying the law. The basic principles behind the movement was to protest the 1%. The first couple of months captured that energy and it was executed nicely. Those protesters did a good job, and I commend them for it. But in the following months, more and more reports of "police brutality" pop up. The police aren't being brutal. They are being just. They are responding to those deviating away from the main cause; the uneducated masses that are growing each and every day. That's what makes it a joke of a protest. It's no longer what it used to be.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] n00b 0f d00m when it comes to police brutality on a college campus as a rule 80%-98% of the time it just a bunch of butt-hurt college hipsters mad because their friends got arrested for doing stupid -blam!-. it's bigger BS if those cops had to be temporarily supended [/quote] Suspended? They should be fired. (or at least the ones that used force against absolutely peaceful protesters)[/quote]so in your mind getting maced or shot trying to mob a police car is police brutality[/quote] Uh, yeah. That is police brutality[/quote] Lemme' guess, pointing at a loaded weapon at a police officer and getting shot for it is also police brutality? If yes, then my God the criminals might as well be the good guys.[/quote]the protesters never even brought loaded weapons with them[/quote] He said getting SHOT for it. The protestors didn't (seem) to have intent to kill. They did however intend to obstruct justice by blocking the police, therefore they got maced, MUCH better than being shot trust me.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CND AAA Beef [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lonepaul2441 The arrest that idiot. I hardly doubt they would try and grab a police officers weapon with 20 more right behind them. Also Maverick you seem to hate me because I have a different opinion just because you doesn't mean you can spread lies about me. [/quote]Put yourself in the shoes of the squad leader. Would you really want to risk the lives of your officers, and the civilians around you, on that assumption? All it takes is one person to make a stupid decision. And that decision could cost lives.[/quote]Honestly? I would just go and get the lads to each grab a protester from 1 side of the line and drag them back to open a gap so we can leave. Since the original goal was to get rid of the tents and nothing else I had no other reason to stay. And Maverick I don't blindly hate the police they do the jobs and they do it well but they are still human and can be abusive for next to no reason. The summer riots in the UK I didn't try and pin anything on the police at all I defended them. Go take your lies somewhere else.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lI Maverick lI [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 the protesters never even brought loaded weapons with them[/quote] My question was hypothetical, not related to the video.[/quote]You can't base your opinion on scenarios that didnt happen then
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 the protesters never even brought loaded weapons with them[/quote] My question was hypothetical, not related to the video.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] lI Maverick lI [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] n00b 0f d00m [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] bhippo717 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] n00b 0f d00m when it comes to police brutality on a college campus as a rule 80%-98% of the time it just a bunch of butt-hurt college hipsters mad because their friends got arrested for doing stupid -blam!-. it's bigger BS if those cops had to be temporarily supended [/quote] Suspended? They should be fired. (or at least the ones that used force against absolutely peaceful protesters)[/quote]so in your mind getting maced or shot trying to mob a police car is police brutality[/quote] Uh, yeah. That is police brutality[/quote] Lemme' guess, pointing at a loaded weapon at a police officer and getting shot for it is also police brutality? If yes, then my God the criminals might as well be the good guys.[/quote]the protesters never even brought loaded weapons with them
