You basically are saying anything you die to

[quote]You basically are saying anything you die to[/quote] Thank you for proving my point. Who could have possibly knew that you were going to say that.

I only said it because you tried to say that wasnt the case. Youre complaining about summoner which is not a problem when compared to the current strength of 450 ARs which as was pointed out to you before is the reason why 450s are recieving a nerf while 600s are not. Trials weapons are endgame weapons and will typically be better when you compare the fact they have fewer possible perks and normally higher base stats when compared to other weapons of their respective archetypes. Raid weapons also typically have smaller perk pools, better perks in their pools and higher base stats all while being craftable but those arent OP are they? You are literally complaining about gear and calling it OP because you died to it and instead of going and getting your own rolls or even changing your playstyle up and improving at the game you come here and cry to people who are not gonna take your side. Either you love being humiliated by strangers or youre just too thick skulled to see youre the problem when it comes to you being killed all the time and not having the gear that kills you.

[quote]I only said it because you tried to say that wasnt the case. Youre complaining about summoner which is not a problem when compared to the current strength of 450 ARs which as was pointed out to you before is the reason why 450s are recieving a nerf while 600s are not. Trials weapons are endgame weapons and will typically be better when you compare the fact they have fewer possible perks and normally higher base stats when compared to other weapons of their respective archetypes. Raid weapons also typically have smaller perk pools, better perks in their pools and higher base stats all while being craftable but those arent OP are they? You are literally complaining about gear and calling it OP because you died to it and instead of going and getting your own rolls or even changing your playstyle up and improving at the game you come here and cry to people who are not gonna take your side. Either you love being humiliated by strangers or youre just too thick skulled to see youre the problem when it comes to you being killed all the time and not having the gear that kills you.[/quote] A statement of fact is not a complaint. Its simply a statement of fact. You’re Reading more into it because you took that statement as something personal You should explore why you do that. You are assuming facts not in evidence. I never said I was being killed all the time by summoner or any other piece of gear That’s just some -blam!- you made up to fit your narrative. If you look really close in this statement “trials weapons are too powerfull for quick play” if you rearrange the letters you can make it say whatever you want it to. This happens all of the time by the unintelligent. You are living proof of this concept

Nothing you stated was a fact, your opinion is on par with raid weapons being too powerful for seasonal activities or iron banner weapons being to powerful for quickplay. Trials weapons typically have more perks in their pools that have better use in PvP (which makes sense given they are from a PvP activity). Saying anything is too strong for PvP is the same as saying either, you get killes by it too much or that other people shouldnt use it because you dont have it. There are no trials weapons that do not have a conterpart that is just as strong and easier to get. Summoner is outdone by ammit, prosecutor and all other 450 ARs. Igneous is the same as most 120s its just easier to get a good PvP roll on because of its smaller perk pool The new scout will be outdone by mida, jade, ir yut, tears and so on. In no way are trials weapons the strongest PvP anything, the only upside is its a quicker grind to get a decent or good roll. Edit: what you said was also a complaint. You gave a negetive opinion and have tried to act like its a fact.

[quote]Nothing you stated was a fact, your opinion is on par with raid weapons being too powerful for seasonal activities or iron banner weapons being to powerful for quickplay. Trials weapons typically have more perks in their pools that have better use in PvP (which makes sense given they are from a PvP activity). Saying anything is too strong for PvP is the same as saying either, you get killes by it too much or that other people shouldnt use it because you dont have it. There are no trials weapons that do not have a conterpart that is just as strong and easier to get. Summoner is outdone by ammit, prosecutor and all other 450 ARs. Igneous is the same as most 120s its just easier to get a good PvP roll on because of its smaller perk pool The new scout will be outdone by mida, jade, ir yut, tears and so on. In no way are trials weapons the strongest PvP anything, the only upside is its a quicker grind to get a decent or good roll. Edit: what you said was also a complaint. You gave a negetive opinion and have tried to act like its a fact.[/quote] If it wasn’t OP it wouldn’t be the #1 gun used in crucible. So yeah it’s a fact You read it as a complaint…that’s on you

Conditional is most used actually and while that is a strong gun its no more OP than any other special 99% of the time. Summoner adept is second followed by ammit, prosecutor and quick silver. It must seem so weird that PvP players use gear from a PvP, the gun its self is a fan favourite and it has good sights but it is weaker than 450s which again is why 450s are getting a nerf not 600s. Summoner is good but there are better options out there.

[quote]Conditional is most used actually and while that is a strong gun its no more OP than any other special 99% of the time. Summoner adept is second followed by ammit, prosecutor and quick silver. It must seem so weird that PvP players use gear from a PvP, the gun its self is a fan favourite and it has good sights but it is weaker than 450s which again is why 450s are getting a nerf not 600s. Summoner is good but there are better options out there.[/quote] No sumoner according to destiny 2 tracker is #1

Destiny tracker, weapon insights set to usage, quickplay. #1 Conditional Finality at 4.16% #2 Summoner (Adept) at 3.93% #3 Ammit at 3.30% #4 Prosecutor at 2.26% #5 Quicksilver Storm at 2.21% #6 Summoner at 1.73% #7 Matador 64 at 1.62% #8 Ace of Spades at 1.41% #9 Thorn at 1.25% #10 Heliocentric QSc at 1.13% Nice try but summoner is 6th, better luck next time.

[quote]Destiny tracker, weapon insights set to usage, quickplay. #1 Conditional Finality at 4.16% #2 Summoner (Adept) at 3.93% #3 Ammit at 3.30% #4 Prosecutor at 2.26% #5 Quicksilver Storm at 2.21% #6 Summoner at 1.73% #7 Matador 64 at 1.62% #8 Ace of Spades at 1.41% #9 Thorn at 1.25% #10 Heliocentric QSc at 1.13% Nice try but summoner is 6th, better luck next time.[/quote] Oh I see you want to distinguish between adept and not adept Like that even matters….it’s a trials weapon When I looked this morning it was 1st with conditional being 2nd But nice try

Still the numbers dont lie, there are 2 in the top 10 and only 7 across the top 50. If trials weapons really were significantly stronger than normal PvP gear, raid gear, IB gear and any other gear in the game then more trials gear would populate the top 10, not just what was last weeks adept.

[quote]Still the numbers dont lie, there are 2 in the top 10 and only 7 across the top 50. If trials weapons really were significantly stronger than normal PvP gear, raid gear, IB gear and any other gear in the game then more trials gear would populate the top 10, not just what was last weeks adept.[/quote] Dissagree

Because you want to push your own narrative regardless of the facts like a child who doesnt want to admit they drew on the walls when the parents caught them holding the crayon.

[quote]Because you want to push your own narrative regardless of the facts like a child who doesnt want to admit they drew on the walls when the parents caught them holding the crayon.[/quote] I’m wondering if it’s possible for you to have a debate without trying to insult your opponent Here’s what I will tell you. My statement is as it is….a statement about trials weapons being op in quick play When you read that statement you want to assign your meaning to in instead of reading it for what it is. You are controlled by your emotions and this is why you insult instead of discuss. You lost the second you closed your mind and went for the lowest form of conversation I’m no longer interested in this conversation you may have the last word Make it a good one

I found the prosecutor (prophecy dungeon) to be more of an issue than the summoner.