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2/21/2024 11:39:06 PM
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Well it's still the most powerful stasis in the game. So maybe the others need a mega pve boost too
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It's arguably the most powerful stasis in PvP, but in PvE, no, you're incorrect. Like the guy said, that would be Warlock Osmiomancy, obviously.
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Hunter stasis is the most powerful in pvp and pve. Then warlocks and titan last unfortunately. Since they nerfed the stasis titan in the ground in pve and pvp. Then much later they nerfed a stasis aspect of titans, not like it was getting use. And titans take more damage while in stasis.
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Editado por Obi-Juan: 2/24/2024 11:24:57 PM[quote]Hunter stasis is the most powerful in pve. [/quote] [quote]Silence & Squall needs a massive PvE buff [/quote] Brother are you good You can put down 2 warlock turrets that can shutdown an entire room meanwhile hunter has a grenade that slow enemies if they happen to be inside it and gives subpar damage resistence. Warlock stasis is the best in PvE by a landslide
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And a hunter super chases movement and shuts down a room. A warlocks super is rubbish compared to hunters
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Perhaps I’m misunderstanding the conversation being had, but the brother you were talking mentioned that two Warlock turrets (which are [i]grenades[/i]) could lock down a whole room and your response was that a Hunter super could do the same? I feel like if your super is competing with grenades then that might mean the super isn’t good. Like I said, I might be misunderstanding the conversation.
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OK grenade for grenade 2 turrets? That depends what level you're playing turrets on a grandmaster help but I would call it lockdown
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[quote]Well it's still the most powerful stasis in the game. So maybe the others need a mega pve boost too[/quote] Hunter stasis is by far the weakest in pve.
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I would argue that titans struggle the most using stasis in pve. Hunters are far from weak. Warlocks have osmiomancy turrets but the super is hot trash.
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Editado por Obi-Juan: 2/24/2024 11:15:44 PMThe warlock super gives you complete control over which enemies you freeze it's by the far the best one for endgame pve
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Even with the gloves, the damage is piss poor. Titans can freeze the entire room and hunters can freeze more targets over a longer period of time. Target freezing isn't as good as blanket freezing.
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Editado por Obi-Juan: 2/25/2024 1:34:29 AMYou're severely uninformed lol. Stasis isn't about damage. It's about utility. No one uses riptide because it does the most damage. They use it for it's utility. Power of stasis utility is the strongest with Warlock and it's not close. https://twinfinite.net/destiny-2/destiny-2-best-pve-classes/
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You're the one severely misinformed. The only reason anyone uses Shadebinder is because of Osmiomancy gloves. Also this discussion is about the supers and as far as stasis supers go, there is a reason why nobody uses it and instead opts to use Ager's Scepter with Mantle of Battle Harmony. You can achieve so much more with that than you could ever hope with Winter's Wrath both for damage and mass freezing.
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Editado por Obi-Juan: 2/25/2024 5:11:13 PMThe post is literally calling for the buff of the hunter super and you're still claiming that hunter is better than warlock stasis in PvE? Bro stop Warlock even have an exotic to buff the stasis supers damage which is quite obviously more potent than Hunter in PvE. Warlock's can throw down a turret, melee freeze anyone they wish with 1 click and can even freeze with their healing rift. Hunter is worse. Look at any subclass tier list for PvE and you'll see hunter at the bottom with Warlock being very high up in comparison, for a reason. You're literally just trying to think of the one part of hunter that has an advantage to try and paint the overall subclass to be better and it's pathetic. Just accept that you're wrong lmao
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You are [i]not[/i] going to sit there and try to convince [i]anyone[/i] that the wrathweavers are any good. You're just not lmao You're also not going to convince anyone that trying to freeze enemies with the rift isn't going to get you instantly killed. The melee is a half decent panic button but the thing that makes warlock stasis so trash outside of osmiomancy gloves is that we have [i][u][b]no way to shatter frozen enemies outside of the shockwave from the super[/b][/u][/i]. Sure we can freeze enemies for our teammates to steal the kill and ruin whatever synergy we're trying to go for big whoop. Simple minded people like you think that warlocks are meant for support and whenever we have anything that remotely enables yall to steal our kills, we are lauded as the best pve because of 1 ability or exotic that makes playing warlock super passive and boring.
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[quote]I would argue that titans struggle the most using stasis in pve. Hunters are far from weak. Warlocks have osmiomancy turrets but the super is hot trash.[/quote] Titan stasis can output very high total damage. The OS nerfs did hurt it for the sword build, but that technically still works. You’re just not going to use it when strand titan does it better. We’re still just comparing between stasis classes though. Hunter stasis lacks any real neutral game outside of maybe renewal. And the super does less damage than a storm grenade. Warlock has turrets and cold snaps. The super is very good for add clear.
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There are a lot of things that are good for add clear and winter's wrath isn't one of them. Whereas, hunters throw an ice tornado that's lasts a century. You'd sooner see a stasis hunter in high end activities than a stasis titan.
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[quote]There are a lot of things that are good for add clear and winter's wrath isn't one of them. Whereas, hunters throw an ice tornado that's lasts a century. You'd sooner see a stasis hunter in high end activities than a stasis titan.[/quote] Two blasts from the warlock super do more damage than the entire hunter super… Again, the hunter super does less damage than a storm grenade. [url=https://imgur.com/a/ra2zZE2]Video[/url] The warlock stasis super allows large groups of adds to be damaged at the same time, as well as keeping them perpetually frozen. It is one of the best add clear supers in the game. Stasis titan offers more than stasis hunter.
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Winter's wrath is a 2 step super with each step taking time and energy to use. You freeze 1-2 targets at a time, and by the time you detonate the Shockwave, your teammates have already utilized something far more efficient and deadly to yank your kills and destroy whatever synergy you're going for with your build. Also the damage isn't nearly as weak as you're exaggerating it to be. Hunters still do well over 3mil damage when using that super since star eaters can be used with every super they have. Titans have decent damage and instant add control in their super but have 0 neutral game in stasis.
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[quote]Winter's wrath is a 2 step super with each step taking time and energy to use. You freeze 1-2 targets at a time, and by the time you detonate the Shockwave, your teammates have already utilized something far more efficient and deadly to yank your kills and destroy whatever synergy you're going for with your build. Also the damage isn't nearly as weak as you're exaggerating it to be. Hunters still do well over 3mil damage when using that super since star eaters can be used with every super they have. Titans have decent damage and instant add control in their super but have 0 neutral game in stasis.[/quote] You can freeze a lot more than two enemies at a time and the class is capable of chain freezing. Turrets and grenades used before the super also freeze targets. It is easily one of the best add clear supers with how well it locks down and kills large groups of enemies. Star eaters does not make S&S do good damage. Again, the super does less damage than a storm grenade. There’s a video attached to the previous reply. You are also free to make a hunter and actually use the thing you’re talking about before making false claims.
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The video is a 2 year old video made with a pre nerfed titan storm grenade. You're going to have to try harder than that if you want to push a false narrative. The tornado wipes adds far more quickly and effectively than a warlock that needs several stages of setup and you're also assuming that your teammates are sitting afk twiddling their thumbs waiting for you to freeze and shatter everything. If you actually played warlock, you wouldn't need to falsely try to downplay hunters at every turn.
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[quote]The video is a 2 year old video made with a pre nerfed titan storm grenade. You're going to have to try harder than that if you want to push a false narrative. The tornado wipes adds far more quickly and effectively than a warlock that needs several stages of setup and you're also assuming that your teammates are sitting afk twiddling their thumbs waiting for you to freeze and shatter everything. If you actually played warlock, you wouldn't need to falsely try to downplay hunters at every turn.[/quote] Storm grenade damage is still higher. And that’s not even the highest damage non super ability in the game, it’s just a comparison because they’re both the same concept of floating around towards enemies. You can out damage the super with a single melee hit from multiple different classes. I would suggest testing yourself, but you would have to make a hunter to do that. There is no thought coming from you when it comes to opposing a buff to S&S. I have hundreds of hours on my warlock, with stasis being my most used GM class for multiple seasons. If you are struggling with freezing enemies and then shattering them, you’re beyond help, lmao. Two different button presses… and often just one since it auto chains.
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The amount of cope and blatant lies you come up with is honestly astounding and hilarious. You couldn't play warlock if your life depended on it with how wrong you always are every time you deign to type anything on this forums. Let me guess....1 2 punch synthos ran circles around your poor little hunter 1 time and all of a sudden hunter stasis is the worst thing ever lmfao
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[quote]The amount of cope and blatant lies you come up with is honestly astounding and hilarious. You couldn't play warlock if your life depended on it with how wrong you always are every time you deign to type anything on this forums. Let me guess....1 2 punch synthos ran circles around your poor little hunter 1 time and all of a sudden hunter stasis is the worst thing ever lmfao[/quote] I have hundreds of hours on my warlock. It’s just another class… Again, the super does less damage than multiple non super abilities both on the hunter class and on others. S&S needing a buff is the sole result of its own lackluster damage and performance. I get that you’re one of the players that has trouble separating themselves from the class they play in a video game and that sad and all, but it’s not relevant to the discussion.
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It doesn't need any buffs. What you fail to realize is that it's an add clearing super in pve and a shutdown/area denial super in pvp. It also has a very powerful neutral game as does every single other hunter subclass. Just because it doesn't do a stellar amount of boss damage doesn't mean it doesn't fill its role perfectly fine. Every single hunter subclass doesn't need to be head and shoulders above everything else in every aspect of the game. It doesn't need a buff. It's not a boss damage super. I get that it's a difficult concept for someone that thinks every aspect of the hunter's kit needs to be the end all be all, but you'll just have to get over it.
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Editado por Bore: 2/22/2024 11:30:31 PM[quote]It doesn't need any buffs. What you fail to realize is that it's an add clearing super in pve and a shutdown/area denial super in pvp. It also has a very powerful neutral game as does every single other hunter subclass. Just because it doesn't do a stellar amount of boss damage doesn't mean it doesn't fill its role perfectly fine. Every single hunter subclass doesn't need to be head and shoulders above everything else in every aspect of the game. It doesn't need a buff. It's not a boss damage super. I get that it's a difficult concept for someone that thinks every aspect of the hunter's kit needs to be the end all be all, but you'll just have to get over it.[/quote] This is a post about pve performance. No kne mentioned it being a boss damage super. It does a poor job at add clear, as a direct result of it dealing low damage, hence the need for a pve damage buff. It’s not complicated. It being on hunter is not relevant to it needing a buff or not. It’s just a bad ability. Again, a very simple concept. You’re not actually a warlock bud.
