Wanting more mechanics in a raid isn’t “elitist” or “toxic”. A raid shouldn’t have 4, in some encounters 5 ad clearing and only 1-2 with an actual job. It’s very hard to learn the raid, if you never have any responsibility in it. And frankly It gets boring. Aesthetically, it’s gorgeous. But unless you’re one of the lucky 2, it’s boring. You don’t even need coms in this raid Which is insane when you compare it to a lot of the older raids.

Theres not 60 symbols and Vow is not complicated. It was tough day one thats it. How about you watch a guide, get over your crippling social anxiety, and turn your monitor on. Players who want a challenge have every right to ask bungie for more challenge. They spent their hard earned money just like you.

I hate overly complicated mechanics. "Do this, then do that, then the other thing all in this order while simultaneously standing on these platforms and then run to the pedestal in the middle to get cleansed so you don't get a team wipe, etc, etc, in perpetuity." It's not really what I call fun. Tougher enemies is fine.

Sounds like someone could not get down with the 69 Fish, butt hole, Bleached butt hole, Catholic Priest, Doritos, Bleach Hollow and Italian Flag call outs. [quote]God forbid anything be fun.[/quote] Fun is subjective. While you may find trying to be hard and unfun, others consider not trying to be easy and unfun.

Nah man. The amount of teams that cleared contest mode is an order of magnitude more than ever before. More than all other worlds first raves combined. Only one person needed to execute any raid mechanics at all. You really don't see how skewed that is?

God forbid some stuff isn't handed out to everyone. Imagine having 48 hours of something be difficult before it becomes brain dead easy for the rest of the games lifespan

I don’t know why so many people get wrong what blueberry means. It’s not noob. It simply means someone not on your fireteam. Look at your radar. People on your fireteam are green. Those not on your fireteam are blue. Blueberry. Edit: I love how all the people embarrassed about their ignorance are trying to insist it means noob 😂😂 Edit 2: they mad now 😂😂

D1 raids were much more accessible, I'd prefer they went back there. Memorizing a bunch of symbols is just crazy, If raiding is your greatest achievement and you can't stand seeing the common people do it, you really need to reevaluate your life. If you really insist on harder, play with less people, use off meta weapons, or I dunno. Maybe be a decent human and pull people who have a hard time with it through.

A raid anyone can do? Oh no!

Just wanted to say thanks for the upvotes. Y'all real people with common sense see what I'm driving at and agree with me. I am thankful. Tired of this toxicity in a game we all pay for. Tired of hearing things from players like cause you beat this raid don't mean nothing cause it doesn't count. Really negative community. When the contest modes were too hard which they always have been people were upset that the game belonged to streamers. Now there was one that more players completed and this community isn't thankful or happy for them. They think it's a strike or a dungeon. I don't think they feel it's even a raid. Sad.

As a “hardcore” I can say the raid is fine as is (no i haven’t cleared it yet) and it’s good to have an entry raid for new raiders. However, I can sympathize with the day one crowd, contest being 2 days out of the year where a raid is too hard to beat for causals is perfectly fine. It’s CONTEST, not Casual mode. Conclusion: I have an opinion.

You realise you're being toxic, right? You can express the opinion that you feel Root of Nightmares is " perfect for people like you", and thats fine. I can see that, im not really gonna argue with it, you can have that opinion. However, while i dont think "Last Wish Contest Mode" is a state the game should ever return to, there hasn't been an issue with Contest Mode prior to Root of Nightmares. Its felt pretty consistent in its difficulty and clear time for the past few raids. In the argument for Contest Mode RoN being too easy.. it was. Its TWO days. 2 days of a Raid being harder before it drops down to standard. 2 days out of 365, for a raid to be difficult. If you were a real member of the community, and just took a slice of humble pie, and just admitted youre not that good at the game, you could just sit back and enjoy watching people do contest mode, for 1 day in your life. Enjoy this community event of people running content. But you're being a toxic casual. You are so entitled, that you cannot deal with the concept of people beating a game or an activity you cant. Womp womp, oh well, RIPBOZO. Do you complain about games like Elden Ring too? Skill issue. The larger issue, isnt even necessarily "the raid is too easy", its a much larger issue with difficulty being inconsistent across the board. I did contest mode RoN, im in more danger inside of a Legend LOST SECTOR than i was inside the raid. Why are people being 1-2 shot by a Hobgoblin in the Vexcalibur quest, but can tank a TORMENTOR in a contest mode raid? Thats the issue. There is no consistency with difficulty in the game across the board, including the raid. Honestly, beyond that though.. Raids arent difficult. Sorry. Theyre just not. VoW is as hard as it gets, and while i think they went a bit overboard on symbols, least be honest, you probably havent even tried doing it. But otherwise, ive been in LFG for tons of raids. There are some bad players in there, and they still clear. So whats your excuse?

This is why better players ignore you guys. No matter how many times they say what the problem is… you guys twist it into this cause GOD FORBID content is too hard for you and YOUR ego gets hurt. It’s not about an emblem…